Wandering Adventure Party

@kichae you didn't say _fediverse_ platforms. i thought you meant literally starting over! that makes more sense…

@juergen_hubert — can you remove my name from your replies? you don't seem to be responding to what i am saying.

@kichae

@kichae well yes, but lots of people have tried tthat over the years, and really only Mastodon has ever suceeded. it's kind of a miracle.

Most of the other projects that managed to attract any users at all – friendica, Disapora, etc – quickly adopted some sort of interoperability with activitypub.

you can start again from scratch if you _want_, but…

@kichae thank you. so my point is, if you want to change the way the fediverse works non-trivially, you need to persuade Mastodon to change.

although to be honest i don't think the folks behind activtypub are any more open to acting on suggestions than Mastodon are. Partly that's for very practical reasons: they're both short on resources.

@juergen_hubert @kichae i rather thought that mastodon did *not* completely honour the standard — or that the standard was ambiguous — and misskey etc generally have to follow what Mastodon does.

Don't know myself; i've heard developers say that here.

@juergen_hubert these things are not really a replacement for *social media*.

but, actually, i think you have a point. get folks in here first, by hook or by crook. expanding these other activitypub services is fertile ground.

@kichae

Well, sure. That's true. But those other projects have to interoperate with Mastodon. That makes what they can do to change how the fediverse works limited.

@juergen_hubert i think your reasoning is sound, except, what do we do?
- we can't force people to join the fediverse
- we can't improve how it works to make it more friendly (unless the new management at Mastodon behaves very differently than before)
- i think most of us are already telling our friends how cool it is