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  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

    Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

    Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

    I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

    I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

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    • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

      Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

      Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

      I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

      I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

      jbJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      jb
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      #4

      @Daojoan

      “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people” in the post-Internet era.

      Every fucking time, we’ve had free speech rights impinged, it was “protect the chiiildren” or “what about the children” always about porn.

      But when actual harm is being done, non consensually, actual CSAM being made and passed around, fucking crickets.

      These spineless fucks.

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      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

        Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

        Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

        I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

        I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

        Peter HP This user is from outside of this forum
        Peter HP This user is from outside of this forum
        Peter H
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        @Daojoan In an EU where policy makers scream they want to stop CSAM and so they want backdoors on phones and scanning tools to detect what you are sending in your chats, it's good to know we can always move to Twitter / X to message eachother because there's no move whatsoever to stop this.

        Yes there has been a bit of news 5 days ago, but it remains silent now.

        They're scared of a rich man.

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        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

          Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

          Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

          I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

          I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

          Dinand MentinkD This user is from outside of this forum
          Dinand MentinkD This user is from outside of this forum
          Dinand Mentink
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          @Daojoan in the words of the ancient laconians: 'fuck these assholes' would suffice.

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          • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

            Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

            Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

            I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

            I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

            LiohL This user is from outside of this forum
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            Lioh
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            #7

            @Daojoan the term Free Speech is always used by those who in the end restrict opinions they dislike.

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            • Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

              @Daojoan

              Perhaps my favourite 'Musk and Free Speech' moment, the one to be shared with the class, is when he sought to legally compel advertisers to buy time on his garbage fire social media app, after it transpired that advertisers don't like their ads being associated with Nazis.

              And advertising is the most banal, empty, facile form of speech, but by compelling groups to provide representation on his platform it forever showed that free speech, actually free, is not something Musk will ever support.

              Which makes his supporters trying to claim CSAM as a first amendment thing... just ring a little more hollow. (Also? Ew.)

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              @theogrin @Daojoan <Adjusts fedora> "It's ephebophilia, actually..."

              Every last one of those creepy bastards can be thrown in the sea for introducing me to that word.

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              • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                Petra van Cronenburg
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                #9

                @Daojoan May I answer your eight words in only one word? Fascism.

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                • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                  Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                  Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                  I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                  I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                  Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️F This user is from outside of this forum
                  Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️F This user is from outside of this forum
                  Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️
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                  @Daojoan Maybe we got the idea of free speech wrong. It's about the right to be right. Being wrong is usually no problem in fascist or clerocratic governments, as long as you are wrong their approved way. Being wrong their way while they still try to get into power helps them. Once they are in power, or close to get there, they flood the zone with shit, defending their shit with “free speech”.

                  Free speech is a concept of the 18th century, trying to overcome aristo&clerocratic governments who rely on lies, indoctrination and conformism.

                  The most fragile, worth to defend speech is the inconvenient truth. The most common speech is insults, lies, fakes and porn.

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                  • Peter HP Peter H

                    @Daojoan In an EU where policy makers scream they want to stop CSAM and so they want backdoors on phones and scanning tools to detect what you are sending in your chats, it's good to know we can always move to Twitter / X to message eachother because there's no move whatsoever to stop this.

                    Yes there has been a bit of news 5 days ago, but it remains silent now.

                    They're scared of a rich man.

                    Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                    Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
                    Petra van Cronenburg
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                    RE: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/115865514665481624

                    @peter_slwk Not so silent: https://mastodon.online/@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu/115865514632404837 (watch especially the video)

                    @Daojoan

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                    • arclightA arclight

                      @theogrin @Daojoan <Adjusts fedora> "It's ephebophilia, actually..."

                      Every last one of those creepy bastards can be thrown in the sea for introducing me to that word.

                      Kumar GhoshK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @arclight TIL about Chronophilia ... but isn't ephebo a bit narrow? Like excluding hebephilia(9-14) for instance.

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                      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                        Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                        Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                        I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                        I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                        TinkererT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @Daojoan They are fascists. And even after their "divorce" or end of bromance... They are still the same. The freedom of speech thing was BS for the masses.

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                        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                          Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                          Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                          I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                          I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                          D This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Ethin Probst
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                          @Daojoan There's a reason CSAM is illegal. Freedom of speech != the right to harm others

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                          • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                            Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                            Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                            I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                            I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

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                            @Daojoan - Thank You, Thank You,Thank You 💯

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                            • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                              Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                              Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                              I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                              I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                              AnneHA This user is from outside of this forum
                              AnneHA This user is from outside of this forum
                              AnneH
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                              @Daojoan Surely many countries must have laws against CSAM? They need to ban all X products & "services".

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                              • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                                NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Nini
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                                @Daojoan The cabal of high-wealth and high-power pederasts allow for this, same shit with the Epstein files.

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                                • AnneHA AnneH

                                  @Daojoan Surely many countries must have laws against CSAM? They need to ban all X products & "services".

                                  peachfrontP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  peachfront
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                                  @annehargreaves @Daojoan

                                  sure they have laws but has any LEO in ANY nation arrested Musk for creating & sharing these images? no, & they won't because, at the end of the day, no gov't on this Earth really thinks women & children are equal humans worthy of defending

                                  thus bullying women / girls out of public life is a consequence-free crime, all reward, no risk

                                  we have all seen that actual sexual trafficking is fine w/ gov't if the pimp is rich enough

                                  #Epstein #ReleaseEverything

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                                  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                    Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                    Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                    I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                    I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                                    Ox1deO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Ox1de
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                                    @Daojoan a lot

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                                    • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                      Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                      Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                      I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                      I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                                      WCOW #TheArchersW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      WCOW #TheArchers
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                                      @Daojoan Wankers to a man.

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                                      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                        Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                        Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                        I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                        I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                                        Court Cantrell prefers not toC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Court Cantrell prefers not to
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                                        @Daojoan My much longer twenty-three: they have always been misogynists and pedophiles, and now our government has given them free rein to do whatever the hell they want.

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                                        • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                                          RE: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/115865514665481624

                                          @peter_slwk Not so silent: https://mastodon.online/@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu/115865514632404837 (watch especially the video)

                                          @Daojoan

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                                          @NatureMC @peter_slwk @Daojoan Yackety yack. They wouldn’t even call it Child Sexual Abuse Material, they went with “spicy”. Spokespeople can take a seat until they are announcing legal action enforcing the law. 🫩

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