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  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

    Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

    Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

    I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

    I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

    Dinand MentinkD This user is from outside of this forum
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    Dinand Mentink
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    #6

    @Daojoan in the words of the ancient laconians: 'fuck these assholes' would suffice.

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    • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

      Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

      Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

      I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

      I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

      LiohL This user is from outside of this forum
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      Lioh
      wrote last edited by
      #7

      @Daojoan the term Free Speech is always used by those who in the end restrict opinions they dislike.

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      • Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

        @Daojoan

        Perhaps my favourite 'Musk and Free Speech' moment, the one to be shared with the class, is when he sought to legally compel advertisers to buy time on his garbage fire social media app, after it transpired that advertisers don't like their ads being associated with Nazis.

        And advertising is the most banal, empty, facile form of speech, but by compelling groups to provide representation on his platform it forever showed that free speech, actually free, is not something Musk will ever support.

        Which makes his supporters trying to claim CSAM as a first amendment thing... just ring a little more hollow. (Also? Ew.)

        arclightA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #8

        @theogrin @Daojoan <Adjusts fedora> "It's ephebophilia, actually..."

        Every last one of those creepy bastards can be thrown in the sea for introducing me to that word.

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        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

          Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

          Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

          I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

          I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

          Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
          Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
          Petra van Cronenburg
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          #9

          @Daojoan May I answer your eight words in only one word? Fascism.

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          • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

            Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

            Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

            I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

            I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

            Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️F This user is from outside of this forum
            Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️F This user is from outside of this forum
            Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️
            wrote last edited by
            #10

            @Daojoan Maybe we got the idea of free speech wrong. It's about the right to be right. Being wrong is usually no problem in fascist or clerocratic governments, as long as you are wrong their approved way. Being wrong their way while they still try to get into power helps them. Once they are in power, or close to get there, they flood the zone with shit, defending their shit with “free speech”.

            Free speech is a concept of the 18th century, trying to overcome aristo&clerocratic governments who rely on lies, indoctrination and conformism.

            The most fragile, worth to defend speech is the inconvenient truth. The most common speech is insults, lies, fakes and porn.

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            • Peter HP Peter H

              @Daojoan In an EU where policy makers scream they want to stop CSAM and so they want backdoors on phones and scanning tools to detect what you are sending in your chats, it's good to know we can always move to Twitter / X to message eachother because there's no move whatsoever to stop this.

              Yes there has been a bit of news 5 days ago, but it remains silent now.

              They're scared of a rich man.

              Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #11

              RE: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/115865514665481624

              @peter_slwk Not so silent: https://mastodon.online/@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu/115865514632404837 (watch especially the video)

              @Daojoan

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              • arclightA arclight

                @theogrin @Daojoan <Adjusts fedora> "It's ephebophilia, actually..."

                Every last one of those creepy bastards can be thrown in the sea for introducing me to that word.

                Kumar GhoshK This user is from outside of this forum
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                Kumar Ghosh
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                #12

                @arclight TIL about Chronophilia ... but isn't ephebo a bit narrow? Like excluding hebephilia(9-14) for instance.

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                • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                  Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                  Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                  I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                  I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                  TinkererT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Tinkerer
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                  #13

                  @Daojoan They are fascists. And even after their "divorce" or end of bromance... They are still the same. The freedom of speech thing was BS for the masses.

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                  • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                    Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                    Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                    I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                    I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                    D This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Ethin Probst
                    wrote last edited by
                    #14

                    @Daojoan There's a reason CSAM is illegal. Freedom of speech != the right to harm others

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                    • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                      Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                      Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                      I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                      I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                      atlovatoA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      atlovato
                      wrote last edited by
                      #15

                      @Daojoan - Thank You, Thank You,Thank You 💯

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                      • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                        Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                        Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                        I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                        I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                        AnneHA This user is from outside of this forum
                        AnneHA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #16

                        @Daojoan Surely many countries must have laws against CSAM? They need to ban all X products & "services".

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                        • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                          Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                          Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                          I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                          I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                          NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @Daojoan The cabal of high-wealth and high-power pederasts allow for this, same shit with the Epstein files.

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                          • AnneHA AnneH

                            @Daojoan Surely many countries must have laws against CSAM? They need to ban all X products & "services".

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                            peachfront
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                            #18

                            @annehargreaves @Daojoan

                            sure they have laws but has any LEO in ANY nation arrested Musk for creating & sharing these images? no, & they won't because, at the end of the day, no gov't on this Earth really thinks women & children are equal humans worthy of defending

                            thus bullying women / girls out of public life is a consequence-free crime, all reward, no risk

                            we have all seen that actual sexual trafficking is fine w/ gov't if the pimp is rich enough

                            #Epstein #ReleaseEverything

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                            • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                              Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                              Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                              I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                              I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                              Ox1deO This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Ox1de
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                              @Daojoan a lot

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                              • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

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                                WCOW #TheArchers
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                                #20

                                @Daojoan Wankers to a man.

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                                • JA WestenbergD JA Westenberg

                                  Free speech is when you let people say controversial things.

                                  Free speech is not when the world’s richest man builds a CSAM generator, hooks it up to the world’s largest public photo database, and gives 4chan a subscription service.

                                  I’ve written thousands of words defending people’s right to be wrong on the internet.

                                  I don’t need thousands of words for this. I have eight: what the fuck is wrong with these assholes.

                                  Court Cantrell prefers not toC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Court Cantrell prefers not to
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                                  #21

                                  @Daojoan My much longer twenty-three: they have always been misogynists and pedophiles, and now our government has given them free rein to do whatever the hell they want.

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                                  • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                                    RE: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/115865514665481624

                                    @peter_slwk Not so silent: https://mastodon.online/@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu/115865514632404837 (watch especially the video)

                                    @Daojoan

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                                    @NatureMC @peter_slwk @Daojoan Yackety yack. They wouldn’t even call it Child Sexual Abuse Material, they went with “spicy”. Spokespeople can take a seat until they are announcing legal action enforcing the law. 🫩

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                                    • CrazyDogLadySezPEACEH CrazyDogLadySezPEACE

                                      @NatureMC @peter_slwk @Daojoan Yackety yack. They wouldn’t even call it Child Sexual Abuse Material, they went with “spicy”. Spokespeople can take a seat until they are announcing legal action enforcing the law. 🫩

                                      Petra van CronenburgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Petra van Cronenburg
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                                      #23

                                      @Heartofcoyote Watch the video before yackety-yacking me (spicy mode was a quote, they forgot the " " in the post). It is a post about the work to enforce the law!

                                      Some European countries also check for a possible ban of X. What does your country do?

                                      @peter_slwk @Daojoan

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                                      • Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

                                        @Daojoan

                                        Perhaps my favourite 'Musk and Free Speech' moment, the one to be shared with the class, is when he sought to legally compel advertisers to buy time on his garbage fire social media app, after it transpired that advertisers don't like their ads being associated with Nazis.

                                        And advertising is the most banal, empty, facile form of speech, but by compelling groups to provide representation on his platform it forever showed that free speech, actually free, is not something Musk will ever support.

                                        Which makes his supporters trying to claim CSAM as a first amendment thing... just ring a little more hollow. (Also? Ew.)

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                                        @theogrin @Daojoan

                                        Elon seems to go with a very unique definition of free speech: I do whatever I fucking feel like

                                        High status males like himself should rule the world. And he thinks very highly of his status.

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                                        • Court Cantrell prefers not toC Court Cantrell prefers not to

                                          @Daojoan My much longer twenty-three: they have always been misogynists and pedophiles, and now our government has given them free rein to do whatever the hell they want.

                                          GhostOnTheHalfShellG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #25

                                          @courtcan @Daojoan

                                          They run the government.

                                          I don’t call it epstein nation for nothing. He was plumbing to these people, and there are lots more of them doing exactly what he did right now. Of the files that have been released, made that clear mentioning 10 co-conspirators.

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