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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
    kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
    kosure
    wrote last edited by
    #9

    @pikesley To paraphrase an old dead ghoul. "There is no such thing as copyright." /s

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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      contrasocial
      wrote last edited by
      #10

      @pikesley

      Which is why they still beg for work from actual human artists and shame them for trying to protect their work, they need fresh data constantly or their machines start to get inbred.

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      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

        CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
        CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
        Cryptopope
        wrote last edited by
        #11

        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

        Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Cesare PautassoP CryptopopeP wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 4 Replies Last reply
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        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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          NeoAurum
          wrote last edited by
          #12

          @pikesley well said

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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye
            wrote last edited by
            #13

            @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

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            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­
              wrote last edited by
              #14

              @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
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                @iveyline
                wrote last edited by
                #15

                @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                  Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                  Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                  Rafael PΓ©rez
                  wrote last edited by
                  #16

                  @pikesley

                  The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                    Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                    Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                    Allan SvelmΓΈe Hansen
                    wrote last edited by
                    #17

                    @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                    • FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                      @pikesley

                      Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

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                      Quincy
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                      #18

                      @FediThing @pikesley

                      Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                        David
                        wrote last edited by
                        #19

                        @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                        But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                        https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                          This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                          Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Cesare Pautasso
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                          #20

                          @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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                          • FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                            @pikesley

                            Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                            AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
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                            AgarwaΓ«n
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                            #21

                            @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                              This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                              CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                              CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Cryptopope
                              wrote last edited by
                              #22

                              Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                                badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                badambassador
                                wrote last edited by
                                #23

                                @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                                • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                  @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                  Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Neo Ehproque
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                                  #24

                                  @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                    This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                                    wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                    wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                    wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
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                                    #25

                                    @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                                    • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                      @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                      wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                      wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                      wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #26

                                      @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                        KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Kingu
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #27

                                        @pikesley

                                        I don't think it is "eventually"

                                        It's right now!

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                                        • KinguK Kingu

                                          @pikesley

                                          I don't think it is "eventually"

                                          It's right now!

                                          Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Hypolite Petovan
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                                          #28

                                          @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                          She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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