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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF This user is from outside of this forum
    FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF This user is from outside of this forum
    FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ
    wrote last edited by
    #7

    @pikesley

    Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
      The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
      The Turtle
      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @pikesley they can start eating each other, then! Cool!

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      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

        kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
        kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
        kosure
        wrote last edited by
        #9

        @pikesley To paraphrase an old dead ghoul. "There is no such thing as copyright." /s

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        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

          contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
          contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
          contrasocial
          wrote last edited by
          #10

          @pikesley

          Which is why they still beg for work from actual human artists and shame them for trying to protect their work, they need fresh data constantly or their machines start to get inbred.

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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
            CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
            Cryptopope
            wrote last edited by
            #11

            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Cesare PautassoP CryptopopeP wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 4 Replies Last reply
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            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              N This user is from outside of this forum
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              NeoAurum
              wrote last edited by
              #12

              @pikesley well said

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              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
                Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
                Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye
                wrote last edited by
                #13

                @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                Neo EhproqueE wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 2 Replies Last reply
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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                  ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
                  ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
                  ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­
                  wrote last edited by
                  #14

                  @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                    @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
                    @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
                    @iveyline
                    wrote last edited by
                    #15

                    @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                      Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rafael PΓ©rez
                      wrote last edited by
                      #16

                      @pikesley

                      The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                        Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                        Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                        Allan SvelmΓΈe Hansen
                        wrote last edited by
                        #17

                        @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                        • FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                          @pikesley

                          Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                          QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
                          QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
                          Quincy
                          wrote last edited by
                          #18

                          @FediThing @pikesley

                          Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                            David
                            wrote last edited by
                            #19

                            @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                            But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                            https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                              This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                              Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Cesare Pautasso
                              wrote last edited by
                              #20

                              @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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                              • FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                                @pikesley

                                Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                                AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
                                AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
                                AgarwaΓ«n
                                wrote last edited by
                                #21

                                @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                  This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                                  CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Cryptopope
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #22

                                  Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                    Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                                    badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    badambassador
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #23

                                    @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                                    • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                      @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                      Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Neo Ehproque
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #24

                                      @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                                        wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                        wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                        wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #25

                                        @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                                        • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                          @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                          wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                          wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                          wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #26

                                          @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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