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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
    contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
    contrasocial
    wrote last edited by
    #10

    @pikesley

    Which is why they still beg for work from actual human artists and shame them for trying to protect their work, they need fresh data constantly or their machines start to get inbred.

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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
      CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
      Cryptopope
      wrote last edited by
      #11

      This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

      Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Cesare PautassoP CryptopopeP wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 4 Replies Last reply
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      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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        NeoAurum
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        #12

        @pikesley well said

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        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

          This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

          Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
          Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
          Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye
          wrote last edited by
          #13

          @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

          Neo EhproqueE wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 2 Replies Last reply
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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            風曜日琳子 ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭G This user is from outside of this forum
            風曜日琳子 ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭G This user is from outside of this forum
            風曜日琳子 ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭
            wrote last edited by
            #14

            @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
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              @iveyline
              wrote last edited by
              #15

              @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                Rafael PérezR This user is from outside of this forum
                Rafael PérezR This user is from outside of this forum
                Rafael Pérez
                wrote last edited by
                #16

                @pikesley

                The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                  Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                  Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                  Allan Svelmøe Hansen
                  wrote last edited by
                  #17

                  @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                  • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

                    @pikesley

                    Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                    QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Quincy
                    wrote last edited by
                    #18

                    @FediThing @pikesley

                    Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                      David
                      wrote last edited by
                      #19

                      @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                      But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                      https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                        Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Cesare Pautasso
                        wrote last edited by
                        #20

                        @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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                        • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

                          @pikesley

                          Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                          AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Agarwaën
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                          #21

                          @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                            CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                            CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                            Cryptopope
                            wrote last edited by
                            #22

                            Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                              Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                              badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              badambassador
                              wrote last edited by
                              #23

                              @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                              • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Neo Ehproque
                                wrote last edited by
                                #24

                                @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                  This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

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                                  wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
                                  wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
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                                  #25

                                  @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                                  • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                                    @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                    wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
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                                    #26

                                    @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                      KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                      KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Kingu
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #27

                                      @pikesley

                                      I don't think it is "eventually"

                                      It's right now!

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                                      • KinguK Kingu

                                        @pikesley

                                        I don't think it is "eventually"

                                        It's right now!

                                        Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Hypolite Petovan
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #28

                                        @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                        She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                                        • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                                          @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                          She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

                                          KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                          KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Kingu
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #29

                                          @hypolite @pikesley

                                          With LLM, it's true 🙂

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