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An interesting piece about the #ttrpg media landscape: https://personable.blog/media-crowdfunding/

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  • CharnockP Charnock

    "Changes to Rangers" is the sort of thing that youtubers thrive on, and that feeds back into the problem with the hobby.

    @foolishowl @pteryx @Taskerland

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    @Printdevil @foolishowl @Taskerland
    It's worth noting that these sorts tend to also specifically insist that the "ranger problem" is a combat effectiveness problem, and lack both the historical perspective on D&D specifically and the critical mindset generally to question this simplistic view.

    So even if I played 5e or "5e", most of D&Dtube *still* wouldn't even be that valuable to me.

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    • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

      @Printdevil @foolishowl @Taskerland
      It's worth noting that these sorts tend to also specifically insist that the "ranger problem" is a combat effectiveness problem, and lack both the historical perspective on D&D specifically and the critical mindset generally to question this simplistic view.

      So even if I played 5e or "5e", most of D&Dtube *still* wouldn't even be that valuable to me.

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      The whole combat effectiveness type approach to gaming is why I find it hard to chat to local gamers, in a gaming shop, who are gaming.

      Because it just looks like an RPG

      But it isn't.

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      • FoolishOwlF FoolishOwl

        @Printdevil @pteryx @Taskerland I think this has been a basic split in the TTRPG scene since nearly the beginning, though I think indie games have become significantly more popular in recent years.

        There was the "D20" period, in which they made an earnest effort to generalize D&D's core mechanics. But through most of its history, I think D&D has tended to emphasize its specific or idiosyncratic features. "System mastery" is closely related, but it also plays into something like nostalgia.

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        It seems to me like after "d20 System" proved to be an untrustworthy brand, people who just wanted to make a game without caring about the system started seeking out indie systems to hang their game idea on instead (FATE for a time, then PbtA). After that, there was a parallel "just make it 5e" trend. The kinds of idiosyncratic game system options from the '90s never really came back.

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        • CharnockP Charnock

          The whole combat effectiveness type approach to gaming is why I find it hard to chat to local gamers, in a gaming shop, who are gaming.

          Because it just looks like an RPG

          But it isn't.

          @pteryx @foolishowl @Taskerland

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          @Printdevil @foolishowl @Taskerland
          I've run into that issue too, where despite having *met someone through a freeform RP community*, I *still* couldn't really talk with him about D&D because he was frankly off on another planet as far as what the basic nature of the game was. (I could talk with his *husband*, but then he died, so...)

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          • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

            @Printdevil @foolishowl @Taskerland
            I've run into that issue too, where despite having *met someone through a freeform RP community*, I *still* couldn't really talk with him about D&D because he was frankly off on another planet as far as what the basic nature of the game was. (I could talk with his *husband*, but then he died, so...)

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            I killed most of my friends irl as well. I'm working on @devilsjunkshop and @strangequark at the moment...

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            • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

              @foolishowl @Printdevil @Taskerland
              It seems to me like after "d20 System" proved to be an untrustworthy brand, people who just wanted to make a game without caring about the system started seeking out indie systems to hang their game idea on instead (FATE for a time, then PbtA). After that, there was a parallel "just make it 5e" trend. The kinds of idiosyncratic game system options from the '90s never really came back.

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              I'm a huge fan of the FGU games of the 1980s

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              • CharnockP Charnock

                I killed most of my friends irl as well. I'm working on @devilsjunkshop and @strangequark at the moment...

                @pteryx @foolishowl @Taskerland

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                @Printdevil @devilsjunkshop @strangequark @foolishowl @Taskerland
                Look, the only person I ever joke about having killed I've never even *met* IRL (the "leader and detective" player from my Eberron superhero campaign back in the day, if you've read that blog post).

                This guy was wheelchair-bound and very accident-prone (as in people tended to ram into him with cars), though oddly it was other medical complications that killed him. Wish I could've gotten to know him more, but...

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                • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                  @Printdevil @devilsjunkshop @strangequark @foolishowl @Taskerland
                  Look, the only person I ever joke about having killed I've never even *met* IRL (the "leader and detective" player from my Eberron superhero campaign back in the day, if you've read that blog post).

                  This guy was wheelchair-bound and very accident-prone (as in people tended to ram into him with cars), though oddly it was other medical complications that killed him. Wish I could've gotten to know him more, but...

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                  I'm just of an age that people ... aren't there anymore, because of all the mortal reasons time brings with.

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                  • CharnockP Charnock

                    The whole combat effectiveness type approach to gaming is why I find it hard to chat to local gamers, in a gaming shop, who are gaming.

                    Because it just looks like an RPG

                    But it isn't.

                    @pteryx @foolishowl @Taskerland

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                    @Printdevil @pteryx @Taskerland I don't want to object to people enjoying that style of gaming. I just feel sad that some people don't know about the broader range of possibilities, especially when they clearly want to play in a way D&D doesn't accommodate well.

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                    • FoolishOwlF FoolishOwl

                      @Printdevil @pteryx @Taskerland I don't want to object to people enjoying that style of gaming. I just feel sad that some people don't know about the broader range of possibilities, especially when they clearly want to play in a way D&D doesn't accommodate well.

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                      I don't object either, but it's a total silo, it makes discussing other games like some Plato's Cave thought experiment.

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                      • CharnockP Charnock

                        It also covered whatever games were on the go without favouritism beyond what people wrote. I quite liked their Barbarian class which always seemed more interesting than the Unearthed Arcana one. Much shouting in the D&D over that.

                        Dragon always seemed so bland. A pabulum of gaming.

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                        I don't think the US ever had White Dwarf, but Dragon Magazine sustained me back during my teenage years when actually *getting to play the game* was pretty much only a dream.

                        But even that eventually went through decay.

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                        • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                          @Printdevil @strangequark @Taskerland
                          I don't think the US ever had White Dwarf, but Dragon Magazine sustained me back during my teenage years when actually *getting to play the game* was pretty much only a dream.

                          But even that eventually went through decay.

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                          @Printdevil @strangequark @Taskerland
                          Even as professionally-constrained as it was, older Dragon still used to be heavy on the imaginative parts of the game, and gave tiny glimpses of what else was out there through reviews. When it became more focused on presenting new 3.5 mechanics, which were so widely considered unbalanced that they had to slap "no, we're official, honest!" onto the cover, I let my sub lapse. WotC's website was better at being Dragon than Dragon at the end.

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                            @Printdevil @strangequark @Taskerland
                            Even as professionally-constrained as it was, older Dragon still used to be heavy on the imaginative parts of the game, and gave tiny glimpses of what else was out there through reviews. When it became more focused on presenting new 3.5 mechanics, which were so widely considered unbalanced that they had to slap "no, we're official, honest!" onto the cover, I let my sub lapse. WotC's website was better at being Dragon than Dragon at the end.

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                            the UK had some great gaming magazines on and off. White Dwarf obviously, but Imagine and Arcane both had great stuff from time to time.

                            And there was a dreadful magazine called Fantazia that they let any old gargoyle write for back in the day

                            <_<

                            >_>

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                            • CharnockP Charnock

                              the UK had some great gaming magazines on and off. White Dwarf obviously, but Imagine and Arcane both had great stuff from time to time.

                              And there was a dreadful magazine called Fantazia that they let any old gargoyle write for back in the day

                              <_<

                              >_>

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                              @Printdevil @strangequark @Taskerland
                              I did like the idea of possibly writing an article for Dragon, but unfortunately by the time things aligned such that it would have been practical (as opposed to an outsider looking in trying to write about something she had no practical experience with), Dragon had changed too much and stuff like blogging and making d20 supplements had supplanted it as industry entry paths.

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                              • Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP Pteryx the Puzzle Secretary

                                @Printdevil @strangequark @Taskerland
                                I don't think the US ever had White Dwarf, but Dragon Magazine sustained me back during my teenage years when actually *getting to play the game* was pretty much only a dream.

                                But even that eventually went through decay.

                                1/2

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                                @pteryx The first 100 issues of #WhiteDwarf are all on archive.org if you want to take a look:

                                https://archive.org/details/white-dwarf-magazine-001-100/White%20Dwarf%20001/

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                                • Strange QuarkS Strange Quark

                                  @pteryx The first 100 issues of #WhiteDwarf are all on archive.org if you want to take a look:

                                  https://archive.org/details/white-dwarf-magazine-001-100/White%20Dwarf%20001/

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                                  And Arcane

                                  https://archive.org/details/arcane-magazine/Arcane%2001/

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                                    And Arcane

                                    https://archive.org/details/arcane-magazine/Arcane%2001/

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                                    And Imagine if you look around individually

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                                    Imagine Magazine 06 : TSR U.K. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

                                    This should be added to the magazine rack, Imagine Magazine page!!! If I can find the Special Edition issue, I will upload that one for inclusion in the same...

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                                      And Imagine if you look around individually

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                                      Imagine Magazine 06 : TSR U.K. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

                                      This should be added to the magazine rack, Imagine Magazine page!!! If I can find the Special Edition issue, I will upload that one for inclusion in the same...

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                                      Imagine was an odd one because it was by TSR UK but its city building and maps were lovely.

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                                      • CharnockP Charnock

                                        the UK had some great gaming magazines on and off. White Dwarf obviously, but Imagine and Arcane both had great stuff from time to time.

                                        And there was a dreadful magazine called Fantazia that they let any old gargoyle write for back in the day

                                        <_<

                                        >_>

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                                        @Printdevil @pteryx @strangequark @Taskerland GM and GameMaster International weren’t bad, either, just quietly, though I found the former’s large format and stapled binding didn’t survive well.

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                                          @Printdevil @pteryx @strangequark @Taskerland GM and GameMaster International weren’t bad, either, just quietly, though I found the former’s large format and stapled binding didn’t survive well.

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                                          Did any of you ever come across Tortured Souls by Beast Ents.? It was a UK magazine of D&D adventures in the 1980s. I owned several issues, long consigned to the dustbin by my mother who disapproved of That Kind Of Thing.

                                          Production values were very high. As I remember, the adventures came with full-colour floorplans. I can't remember much about the content. One was a Dwarvish lair or mine or something.

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