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Monks in #dnd have a bit of an image problem, stemming mostly from being called specifically monk, and nobody quite agreeing to what that should mean and how it should be expressed in game terms.

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  • Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽M Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽

    @mhd @kyonshi
    Also, poisons are a *super* equalizer, just have to be careful about where you use them, because witnesses go berserk.

    Assassins are 2 levels lower in Thief skills, which is still pretty cheap compared to other classes (Level 3 = 3000 EP = just over Level 2 for Monk), and they get EP for assassinations, including the percentile-roll off-screen assassin table (use of which is not explained in the book). They always levelled *fast*.

    Every edition nerfed them worse.

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    @mdhughes Ah, yes, was that the one where you get insane to-hit and damage bonuses as soon as someone in the same battle dares to use poison? I mean, fireballs okay, skeletal minions, sure, but poison? KOBOLD SMASH!

    @kyonshi

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      @mdhughes Ah, yes, was that the one where you get insane to-hit and damage bonuses as soon as someone in the same battle dares to use poison? I mean, fireballs okay, skeletal minions, sure, but poison? KOBOLD SMASH!

      @kyonshi

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      @mhd @kyonshi Yeah, +4 to hit/damage. What. How do I apply that to allies‽

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      • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

        Right now I keep thinking about calling the class "Ascetic" in my house rules, but I have the feeling that also doesn't capture all it should be.
        By now I read a ton of wuxia fantasy though and I feel that might come the closest.
        That is besides the phrase "martial artist", which in my opinion also should encompass fighters and clerics.

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        @kyonshi Under the influence of Shadowrun, I mentally shorthand it as "physical adept" but that doesn't help at all unless you are already Shadowrun-brained!

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        • kit 🌃👶☕W kit 🌃👶☕

          @kyonshi Under the influence of Shadowrun, I mentally shorthand it as "physical adept" but that doesn't help at all unless you are already Shadowrun-brained!

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          @wlonk in my games everyone always runs gunslinger adepts, so...

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            @wlonk in my games everyone always runs gunslinger adepts, so...

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            @kyonshi It turns out it’s all superheroes.

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            • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

              Right now I keep thinking about calling the class "Ascetic" in my house rules, but I have the feeling that also doesn't capture all it should be.
              By now I read a ton of wuxia fantasy though and I feel that might come the closest.
              That is besides the phrase "martial artist", which in my opinion also should encompass fighters and clerics.

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              @kyonshi ascetic always makes me think of the medieval christian monks that wore hair shirts and lived on top of a pillar so they wouldn’t get tempted by life

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              • Andy BerdanB Andy Berdan

                @kyonshi ascetic always makes me think of the medieval christian monks that wore hair shirts and lived on top of a pillar so they wouldn’t get tempted by life

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                @berdandy see, that's absolutely right.

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                • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

                  Monks in #dnd have a bit of an image problem, stemming mostly from being called specifically monk, and nobody quite agreeing to what that should mean and how it should be expressed in game terms.

                  Notably, for a game that otherwise has a very western idea of society, monks are taken directly from Chinese wuxia and plopped in with barely an explanation of how that works.

                  1/?
                  #ttrpg

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                  @kyonshi Very interesting.

                  There could be 2 character classes to fix this question: Monk (Western) and Monk (Martial Artist).

                  First one would be like the monks of The Name of the Rose and second one would be something like those of Wuxia films.

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                  • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

                    @berdandy see, that's absolutely right.

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                    @kyonshi I wanna see this class now 😂

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                    • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

                      @Printdevil @Taskerland it's always like that. I don't even know why I'm putting that much thought into all this.

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                      Because if you don't, the players will immediately all want to play Monks, fight monks, and discuss the tv show Monk

                      @kyonshi @Taskerland

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                      • 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoatsK 1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

                        Monks in #dnd have a bit of an image problem, stemming mostly from being called specifically monk, and nobody quite agreeing to what that should mean and how it should be expressed in game terms.

                        Notably, for a game that otherwise has a very western idea of society, monks are taken directly from Chinese wuxia and plopped in with barely an explanation of how that works.

                        1/?
                        #ttrpg

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                        @kyonshi that had me wondering if there were some western monks that were into martial arts/fighting but the only thing easily comkng up were the monastic orders of the crusades, and those would more regularly run as knights, fighters, warrior priests or Paladins, depending on what classes specifically the ge in question has available and what aesthetic the adventure/gm is going for.
                        I guess there was also fruar tuck.

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                        • Moreau VazhT Moreau Vazh

                          @kyonshi Satin pyjamas.

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                          @Taskerland @kyonshi

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