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  • Audrey WinterA This user is from outside of this forum
    Audrey WinterA This user is from outside of this forum
    Audrey Winter
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    Been reading a bit about #DrawSteel and... yeah, probably not for me.

    I'm totally in favor of being cool from the very start, including being good enough at what you do to usually succeed, but no to-hit rolls? Sorry, that's drifting into "participation trophy" territory for me. If you can't handle missing sometimes, maybe you need to check your expectations.

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    • Audrey WinterA Audrey Winter

      Been reading a bit about #DrawSteel and... yeah, probably not for me.

      I'm totally in favor of being cool from the very start, including being good enough at what you do to usually succeed, but no to-hit rolls? Sorry, that's drifting into "participation trophy" territory for me. If you can't handle missing sometimes, maybe you need to check your expectations.

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      KevinK This user is from outside of this forum
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      Kevin
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      @audreygwinter It's definitely not for me but they kind of did check their expectations, realized D&D wasn't meeting them, and made their own game to play that way.

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      • KevinK Kevin

        @audreygwinter It's definitely not for me but they kind of did check their expectations, realized D&D wasn't meeting them, and made their own game to play that way.

        Tim_EagonT This user is from outside of this forum
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        @kevin @audreygwinter @Da_Gut Cairn and other games based on Into the Odd doesn't use To Hit Rolls. All attacks hit (including the monsters'), so combat is very risky, even with how different damage and armor works in those games compared to something like D&D.

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        • Tim_EagonT Tim_Eagon

          @kevin @audreygwinter @Da_Gut Cairn and other games based on Into the Odd doesn't use To Hit Rolls. All attacks hit (including the monsters'), so combat is very risky, even with how different damage and armor works in those games compared to something like D&D.

          KevinK This user is from outside of this forum
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          Kevin
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          @Tim_Eagon @audreygwinter @Da_Gut If I'm playing something without attack rolls, I at least want defense rolls for the players.

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          • Tim_EagonT Tim_Eagon

            @kevin @audreygwinter @Da_Gut Cairn and other games based on Into the Odd doesn't use To Hit Rolls. All attacks hit (including the monsters'), so combat is very risky, even with how different damage and armor works in those games compared to something like D&D.

            Da_GutD This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Tim_Eagon I’ve got the Cairn books I just haven’t read them yet

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            • KevinK Kevin

              @Tim_Eagon @audreygwinter @Da_Gut If I'm playing something without attack rolls, I at least want defense rolls for the players.

              Audrey WinterA This user is from outside of this forum
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              Audrey Winter
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              @kevin @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I'm down with that. Defense rolls are just changing the direction of things. As a GM I'd be sad because I *like* rolling dice, but it still makes sense to me.

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              • Tim_EagonT Tim_Eagon

                @kevin @audreygwinter @Da_Gut Cairn and other games based on Into the Odd doesn't use To Hit Rolls. All attacks hit (including the monsters'), so combat is very risky, even with how different damage and armor works in those games compared to something like D&D.

                Audrey WinterA This user is from outside of this forum
                Audrey WinterA This user is from outside of this forum
                Audrey Winter
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                @Tim_Eagon @kevin @Da_Gut I spoke regularly with Chris McDowall while he was originally developing Into the Odd, and I seem to recall saying he did it to drive home the danger, yeah.

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                • Audrey WinterA Audrey Winter

                  @kevin @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I'm down with that. Defense rolls are just changing the direction of things. As a GM I'd be sad because I *like* rolling dice, but it still makes sense to me.

                  vdonnutV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  vdonnut
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                  @audreygwinter @kevin @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut oh, I'm experimenting with this stuff. Player rolls to attack (but not for damage), player rolls to defend, I don't roll and focus on describing and running the game. I love it in Blades and other FitD games, why not use it EVERYWHERE!

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                  • vdonnutV vdonnut

                    @audreygwinter @kevin @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut oh, I'm experimenting with this stuff. Player rolls to attack (but not for damage), player rolls to defend, I don't roll and focus on describing and running the game. I love it in Blades and other FitD games, why not use it EVERYWHERE!

                    KevinK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Kevin
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                    @vdonnut @audreygwinter @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I do like GMing Blades but you're also not going blow-by-blow whittling down HP.

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                    • KevinK Kevin

                      @vdonnut @audreygwinter @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I do like GMing Blades but you're also not going blow-by-blow whittling down HP.

                      vdonnutV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @kevin @audreygwinter @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I believe my aversion to treating NPCs like PCs is able to traverse cultures of play. Also then players won't be bored during enemy phase because there are a lot of decisions ahead

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                      • Da_GutD Da_Gut

                        @Tim_Eagon I’ve got the Cairn books I just haven’t read them yet

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                        Tim_Eagon
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                        @Da_Gut They're very easy reads.

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                        • vdonnutV vdonnut

                          @kevin @audreygwinter @Tim_Eagon @Da_Gut I believe my aversion to treating NPCs like PCs is able to traverse cultures of play. Also then players won't be bored during enemy phase because there are a lot of decisions ahead

                          Tim_EagonT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Tim_Eagon
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                          @vdonnut @kevin @audreygwinter @Da_Gut my aversion is because it's too much work! 3e D&D taught me that!

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