This made me laugh...
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@Printdevil I think so too, to everyone what they like but it is a mix to me. I like to play OSRish games because they present challenges up for player creativity and storygames because they let us all work on the world.
To me not being in-character and proclaiming what NPC says is a tool for managing pacing. The same with using not complex system - it allows better control of the flow. Both combat minigame and pointless in-character talk would bore me to tears on these recordings
I think there is a definite structural issue with "RPG on screen" and always has been. If you go towards my style, you're going to get a radio play, with a seriously atonal mix of bad and good actors and fairly terrible voices (and possibly a contract with Big Finish) it would be nigh on impossible to get to work for other people to enjoy. And how do you show and tell all the table litter without a press kit. Youtube has created a style of gaming which shouldn't exist.
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@yora Even before I was diagnosed, I knew my limitations and preferences with stuff like this.
I know that I need structure or things dissolve because my attention wanders and I know that I can't run stuff that requires me to sit down and memorise hundreds of pages of feats and spells. I'm also unwilling to put that burden on my players so we play lighter systems.
The advantage here is self-awareness. Based on this video, Colville doesn't even know how little he knows.
The number of things I've been diagnosed with over the years slipped into the realm of "accused of"
perils of working with Clinical Psychologists I suppose.
I dislike referencing anything during games, which is why even in rules heavy things like D&D I always make sure everything is crib sheet ready, and spellcasters have all their spells in a book made up and and accessible, just for them. A good GM knows what *they* need to make a game run smooth.
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I think there is a definite structural issue with "RPG on screen" and always has been. If you go towards my style, you're going to get a radio play, with a seriously atonal mix of bad and good actors and fairly terrible voices (and possibly a contract with Big Finish) it would be nigh on impossible to get to work for other people to enjoy. And how do you show and tell all the table litter without a press kit. Youtube has created a style of gaming which shouldn't exist.
@Printdevil I think they're all at the same table. I imagine the cross talk would be even worse on zoom. @vdonnut
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@Morgunin 100k people watching Colville's mates check their phones while he stares into space, muttering about dwarf minis he got on kickstarter before suddenly going "Oh... It's my turn!"
Jesus dude.
Speaking from observation in my limited bubble, I imagine, that a lot of people „watching“ these streams aren’t actually paying attention.
It‘s like when people used to leave the TV running in the background for company or distraction.
Still, though, you have to admit these dudes are producing absolute trash for cash and it actually works. The whole thing is incredibly inane and overall pretty remarkable.
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Speaking from observation in my limited bubble, I imagine, that a lot of people „watching“ these streams aren’t actually paying attention.
It‘s like when people used to leave the TV running in the background for company or distraction.
Still, though, you have to admit these dudes are producing absolute trash for cash and it actually works. The whole thing is incredibly inane and overall pretty remarkable.
@Morgunin I think you are right. This was evidently a stream and I think streams are things that people often have on in the background and then dip in and out of.
That being said, I am shocked by Colville's incompetence compared to some GMs. His players aren't great but he's so lackadaisical and unfocused that it seems like he's either heavily medicated or sun-downing.
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I don't think Mike Yarwood was a particularly good GM either...
@Printdevil @Taskerland @vdonnut "And this is me"
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And yes... I run much less crunchy rules, and this is *precisely* why.
Like, they look up the silence spell during the woman's turn despite the purpose and effect being quite clear. Dude with beard groans about how long she's taking (nice... Single out the female player)
Dude with beard's turn comes up and there's a four-way discussion about whether he can move between multi-attacks. It drags on for ages, nobody actually looks stuff up, and Colville refuses to make a ruling.
100k watchers.
Interestingly, the Youtuber has evidently done a number of these videos for various AP series.
The one on 3D6 DTL is funny as his criticisms have a lot less bite because the GM and players are a lot better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy75NLOfEAQ
His most common critique is 'Why aren't you speaking in first-person?' and, as a GM and a player, I'm not a stickler for that. I think if you are going to try and talk an NPC into something then we are RPing it but I'm happy with 'then I say...' abstraction.
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Interestingly, the Youtuber has evidently done a number of these videos for various AP series.
The one on 3D6 DTL is funny as his criticisms have a lot less bite because the GM and players are a lot better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy75NLOfEAQ
His most common critique is 'Why aren't you speaking in first-person?' and, as a GM and a player, I'm not a stickler for that. I think if you are going to try and talk an NPC into something then we are RPing it but I'm happy with 'then I say...' abstraction.
I used to be a real pain about that stuff as a player. I read about method actors and, half as a bit and half seriously, I would refuse to leave character for entire sessions.
Break for lunch and I'd be like 'Passs-tah? Is this elven food? will it poison me?' while everyone groaned.
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@Printdevil @Taskerland @vdonnut "And this is me"
@BigJackBrass All of my characters resemble King Charles and the woman from Coronation Street who goes 'I don't rightly knoooow' @Printdevil @vdonnut
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I used to be a real pain about that stuff as a player. I read about method actors and, half as a bit and half seriously, I would refuse to leave character for entire sessions.
Break for lunch and I'd be like 'Passs-tah? Is this elven food? will it poison me?' while everyone groaned.
@Taskerland oh, you were one of these friends XD
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@Taskerland oh, you were one of these friends XD
@vdonnut 'Shut up and roll the dice?! Now is not the time for gambling brother... there are orcs nearby!'
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@vdonnut 'Shut up and roll the dice?! Now is not the time for gambling brother... there are orcs nearby!'
@Taskerland I can almost hear the facepalms
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@BigJackBrass All of my characters resemble King Charles and the woman from Coronation Street who goes 'I don't rightly knoooow' @Printdevil @vdonnut
My characters are all gentle suffusions of loveliness characterised by pacifism and a lack of guile
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@BigJackBrass All of my characters resemble King Charles and the woman from Coronation Street who goes 'I don't rightly knoooow' @Printdevil @vdonnut
That sounds like an Alan Bennet character
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Interestingly, the Youtuber has evidently done a number of these videos for various AP series.
The one on 3D6 DTL is funny as his criticisms have a lot less bite because the GM and players are a lot better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy75NLOfEAQ
His most common critique is 'Why aren't you speaking in first-person?' and, as a GM and a player, I'm not a stickler for that. I think if you are going to try and talk an NPC into something then we are RPing it but I'm happy with 'then I say...' abstraction.
@Taskerland I think that's a bit person by person not even table by table. I know people who hate speaking in first person and people who love "the bit". You can't enforce that at the table with proscribing against some player styles. I think bringing it all together is the GM's job. That's part of the director role. "Tim likes pretending he is a Piglen Lord, Tony wants to make plans, Poppy wants to do maps of her house, and Ian is a prick" you just juggle it to maximise the groups enjoyment.
