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We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running.

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  • Joe BrockmeierJ Joe Brockmeier

    @cstross @briankrebs Living here is not a walk in the park at this point...

    I'd never ask anybody to travel here now. I'm glad I'm no longer in the events-organizing part of tech -- I couldn't host anything anywhere in the U.S. if it required people to come from outside.

    Not our largest problem right now, but it's a fairly nasty symptom.

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    wrote last edited by
    #68

    @jzb @cstross @briankrebs Agreed. No one should visit the States now. It's not safe here.

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    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

      We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

      "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

      "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

      PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

      -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

      -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
      ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
      -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
      -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
      -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
      -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
      -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

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      The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

      Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

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      Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

      The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
      must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

      Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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      wrote last edited by
      #69

      @briankrebs lmao if they wanted those types of data points on me, they'd have a lot to fish through! I've been using dummy phone numbers, emails, and identities for services for over a decade. I'm talking hundreds of numbers. Thousands of emails. Do they count bots as my social media? Literally gigs of plaintext to sort through. Not to mention I post encrypted blobs in places too.

      This is just going to impact our economy negatively. Zero forethought.

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      • Jim FlanaganJ Jim Flanagan

        @AAKL @briankrebs This could put TFGs FIFA peace prize in jeopardy

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        wrote last edited by
        #70

        @jimfl @briankrebs Oh, we wouldn't want that, would we? The tantrum that follows would be catastrophic.

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        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

          We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

          "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

          "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

          PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

          -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

          -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
          ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
          -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
          -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
          -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
          -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
          -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

          Link Preview Image
          The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

          Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

          favicon

          Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

          The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
          must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

          Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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          wrote last edited by
          #71

          @briankrebs and coupled with immigration law having provisions that classify any kind of omission on an immigration, visa, or entry form as potential immigration fraud and grounds to disqualify the individual from ANY future status = anybody that forgets one email address or social media account they’ve had years ago is suddenly easily turned into an “illegal immigrant” and passed into the jurisdiction of ICE for deportation and potentially a permanent life ban from the US.

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          • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

            We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

            "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

            "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

            PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

            -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

            -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
            ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
            -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
            -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
            -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
            -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
            -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

            Link Preview Image
            The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

            Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

            favicon

            Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

            The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
            must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

            Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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            wrote last edited by
            #72

            @briankrebs

            Ha. Fuck America. lol

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            • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

              We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

              "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

              "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

              PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

              -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

              -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
              ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
              -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
              -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
              -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
              -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
              -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

              Link Preview Image
              The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

              Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

              favicon

              Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

              The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
              must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

              Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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              wrote last edited by
              #73

              @briankrebs

              Why don't they just come out and say 'visitors to USA not welcome'?

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              • Oliver JensenO Oliver Jensen

                @briankrebs

                as someone who has been using unique email addresses for every service, I look forward to submitting several hundred addresses.

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                wrote last edited by
                #74

                @ojensen @briankrebs
                That’s what I thought!

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                • Derick RethansD Derick Rethans

                  @ojensen @briankrebs Do you even remember them all? I certainly don't.

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #75

                  @derickr @briankrebs most of them, since they're in a big list in my email provider. Doubtless there's a few that I've deleted, though, so to be safe I'll need to add a bunch of maybes to the list.

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                  • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                    We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                    "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                    "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                    PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                    -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                    -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                    ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                    -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                    -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                    -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                    -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                    -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                    Link Preview Image
                    The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                    Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                    favicon

                    Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                    The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                    must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                    Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                    wrote last edited by
                    #76

                    @briankrebs
                    Why didn't they just require everyone get chipped also?

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                    • Gero SteinT Gero Stein

                      @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs Exactly. Just because the government of one country turns fascist does not mean that we, as Europeans, should abandon our core values, such as those enshrined in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

                      If our European values are to be more than a paper exercise, we must be prepared to uphold them.

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                      wrote last edited by
                      #77

                      @tdr @independentpen Besides, tit-for-tat international relations rarely works.

                      If the EU should do anything in response to something like this, make it a reminder that sharing that information without the explicit and informed consent of the data subject is strictly prohibited under the GDPR. And that that includes a third country resident sharing such data as relates to EU data subjects.

                      @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs

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                      • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                        We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                        "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                        "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                        PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                        -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                        -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                        ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                        -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                        -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                        -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                        -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                        -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                        Link Preview Image
                        The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                        Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                        favicon

                        Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                        The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                        must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                        Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                        wrote last edited by
                        #78

                        @briankrebs the 2028 Olympics in LA will be fun. No visitors and no athletes from outside.

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                        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                          We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                          "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                          "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                          PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                          -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                          -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                          ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                          -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                          -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                          -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                          -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                          -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                          Link Preview Image
                          The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                          Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                          favicon

                          Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                          The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                          must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                          Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                          wrote last edited by
                          #79

                          @briankrebs

                          They are only forced if they continue to wanting to travel to the US.

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                          • arrakeen_urbaniteA arrakeen_urbanite

                            @briankrebs If this happens, the EU should impose similar restrictions on U.S. citizen travelers.

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                            wrote last edited by
                            #80

                            @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs

                            only on politicians

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                            • AAKLA AAKL

                              @briankrebs FIFA's Word Cup tournaments in the U.S. need to be boycotted or cancelled. This puts the world at the mercy of these thugs.

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #81

                              @AAKL @briankrebs

                              We discussed that today – there are two other countries involved, we just have to move the US games north or south...

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                              • AAKLA AAKL

                                @jimfl @briankrebs Oh, we wouldn't want that, would we? The tantrum that follows would be catastrophic.

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                                #82

                                @AAKL @briankrebs Ketchup everywhere

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                                • Gero SteinT Gero Stein

                                  @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs Exactly. Just because the government of one country turns fascist does not mean that we, as Europeans, should abandon our core values, such as those enshrined in the European Charter of Fundamental Rights.

                                  If our European values are to be more than a paper exercise, we must be prepared to uphold them.

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                                  #83

                                  @tdr @independentpen @arrakeen_urbanite @briankrebs This. Cubed.

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                                  • RealGene ☣️R RealGene ☣️

                                    @briankrebs
                                    Why didn't they just require everyone get chipped also?

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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #84

                                    @RealGene guess a tattoo with number will he the next proposal
                                    @briankrebs

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                                    • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                      We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                      "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                      "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                      PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                      -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                      -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                      ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                      -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                      -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                      -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                      -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                      -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                      Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                      favicon

                                      Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                      The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                      must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                      Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #85

                                      @briankrebs Just more reasons why I won't be travelling to the United States anytime soon.

                                      Way to go, Trump. Way to kill the economic benefits tourism brings to your country.

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        @briankrebs

                                        I'm British, white, male, aged 60-ish.

                                        Prior to February 2016 I typically visited the USA 3 times a year for up to six weeks.

                                        Since February 2016 I have visited the USA twice in a decade, for a total of 10 days.

                                        Entering the USA as a foreigner, with a Republican POTUS in the White House, *never* felt safe, but under Trump it looks diabolically dangerous. (And to a glance I resemble "one of them": I'm not female or dark-skinned.)

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #86

                                        @cstross @briankrebs

                                        When I go to visit my Canadian in laws I can see the Olympic Peninsula and Mount Baker across the Juan de Fuca Straight. That's plenty close enough for me.

                                        After what I called The Orange Emperor on his racist friend's hellsite they won't let me in anyway.

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                                        • BrianKrebsB BrianKrebs

                                          We knew this was coming, but now the clock is running. From Privacy International:

                                          "Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP)."

                                          "If the proposed changes are adopted after the 60-day consultation, then millions of travellers to the U.S. will be forced to use a U.S. government mobile phone app, submit their social media from the last five years and email addresses used in the last ten years, including of family members. They’re also proposing the collection of DNA."

                                          PI linked to and summarized a Federal Register entry describing the proposed requirements:

                                          -All visitors must submit ‘their social media from the last 5 years’

                                          -ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) applications will include ‘high value data fields’, ‘when feasible’
                                          ‘telephone numbers used in the last five years’
                                          -‘email addresses used in the last ten years’
                                          -‘family number telephone numbers (sic) used in the last five years’
                                          -biometrics – face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
                                          -business telephone numbers used in the last five years
                                          -business email addresses used in the last ten years.

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          The Trump Administration wants your DNA and social media

                                          Yesterday the Trump Administration announced a proposed change in policy for travellers to the U.S. It applies to the powers of data collection by the Customs and Border Police (CBP).

                                          favicon

                                          Privacy International (www.privacyinternational.org)

                                          The Federal Register entry says comments are encouraged and
                                          must be submitted (no later than February 9, 2026) to be assured of consideration.

                                          Federal Register entry: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-12-10/pdf/2025-22461.pdf

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #87

                                          @briankrebs In summary, if this change goes into effect, when leaving the US, don't plan on coming back.

                                          #totalitariannism #US #censorship

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