Rentals do have their place for people like students, and some businesses who regularly send employees to a city(rare but it happens). Rentals are not inherently bad, but the expectation that someone should rent as a longterm plan is completely fucked. We do not need this many many rental units in the world, not at all.

You keep pretending all over this thread that you would be increasing the income of everyone. You’re ignoring completely that you change the tax system so that wealthy people pay more than at present so it’s not inventing money, it’s redistributing it. You also cancel a bunch of social security programs that it replaces.

Your sums are based on false assumptions and you’re just spreading your FUD which is itself based on ignorance and fear. Stop trying to sound like you know something about it when you keep multiplying the population by the payment as if that was relevant in isolation of everything else that’s part of UBI.

If you want to sound knowledgeable, first so the reading work of learning.

But I think you don’t want to learn you just want to criticise because you don’t like the idea of money going from rich to poor.

I’m pretty sure they meant that “the result they want” (“UBI is bad”) would be peer reviewed and shown to be bunk, but the people who wanted that result will ignore the peer review results.

They weren’t disagreeing with the original comment, just adding to it.

Because someone with Billions doesn’t need $300 a month that could go to funding social services for people who need them.

If so, then my reaction was ignorant and I retract it

I would rather see socialized housing, food, and (better) medical coverage than UBI. UBI could (maybe) cause the prices of essentials like housing to increase.

For every dollar a participant earns through employment they lose 50 cents from their basic income payment. This means the basic income proposal would only apply to individuals earning less than 34,000 CAD ($24,380) a year, or couples earning less than 48,000 CAD ($34,420).

This is not UBI.

UNIVERSAL basic income is UNIVERSAL: It doesn’t matter how much you earn.

Oh, you pulled in a billion dollars last year? Here’s your check for $12,000. To save us postage, we’re including it in the same envelope as your $450,000,000 tax bill.

The universality of the system is the single most important component. We convey to our government(s) our political authority. They use our political authority to provide essential services, such as roads and courts and rule of law. They charge the taxpayer for those services. UBI is how they compensate us, the shareholders of our government(s) for the use of the political authority we grant them.

UBI is not a social program. It is not charity. It is the government finally paying out dividends to its citizen-shareholders.

Democracy is the idea that government receives its power and authority from the general public, not a king, god, or other source. The government utilizes the political authority that we provide them to perform a wide variety of essential services to its taxpayer customers.

We invest our political authority in the government. The political authority is what allows the government to provide and charge for those services. We are investors; shareholders. We are owed a return on our investment.

UBI is the dividend owed to us for our investment.

Those various charitable programs and services you described? Most of those would be replaced by UBI.

No, they’re supposed to adapt and overcome. Just like any other time in history when things are tougher. And if you think this is a tough time you havent studied our history well. The Dirty 30’s, the Great Depressions, the first and second World Wars, even the Cold War Era was much more difficult. This doesnt even compare.

Why should you own anything privately? You dont need two cars, one should be seized and auctioned publicly so someone else could have a car right? Why are you hoarding them?

Because we live in a capitalist society thats why. There are countries that do what youre proposing but they are much weaker economically and people dont have nearly the rights they do in Canada.

And of all the places to rent, guess who provides the most reasonable places to rent in the country? Is is Blackrock? No. Is it a consortium of investors? No. Is it a commercial landlord in your city? No. Its ALWAYS the mom and pop landlords who rent out basement suites and houses. Get rid of them and rent averages go UP.

You are correct, this is what I was going for.

I probably should have made it more clear that that is what I was going for.

That is false. As a lesson learned from the Great Depression and the Second World war most countries made sure to have good social protection and wealth was relatively well distributed through good paying manufacturing jobs. People had access to opportunities in the form of free or cheap education and simple wealth through owning a house or apartment was accessible to a large portion of society.

Then Neoliberalism came up in the 80s to destroy this.

A surplus in the housing market is needed.

Free education was a tool to move most of the intelligent workers into white collar roles. Neoliberalism was possible because too few intelligent people were left to organize an opposition.

Thinking about it, UBI will drive the prices of housing down because people don’t have to live where work is available. Companies have to offer cheap housing or people will live elsewhere.

hi Thomas Robert Malthus, are you planning another genocide?

The difference between now and the past is that our current world already produces enough of everything to be post-scarcity.

We produce enough food for 10+ billion people, so anyone going hungry anywhere is a policy failure. We have technology and materials to give everyone shelter, so anyone being homeless is a policy failure. We produce so much disposable clothes and electronics devices and other stuff that it is literally thrown away unsold in the desert.

There is absolutely no reason for people to have to toughen up, just to have access to basic human necessities.

There is, but corporations and Airbnb who hoard resources seem to too often elude in these discussions.

I can see why the mistake was made.