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Women experience guilt, shame and exclusion in gaming culture, study finds

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    qweertz (they/she)
    wrote on last edited by qweertz@programming.dev
    #88

    Who play mobile games

    So not proper gaming like on console or PC?

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    • G grte@lemmy.ca

      This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.

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      Cethin
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      #89

      But if you just treat them like normal you can make some good friends. I had a group of women I played CS with for quite a while after playing with them as a random and just treating them like regular people for once.

      It takes absolutely nothing to just not act like you’re amazed at talking to a woman. They’re just people trying to have fun in the game, just like you and every other teammate you’ve had. Don’t treat them any differently.

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        moltz@lemmy.ml
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        #90

        Shocker. Women choose to play abusive games, come away feeling bad. Gosh, who could have seen this coming.

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        • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldH hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world

          I don’t doubt this but now I’m really curious about the numbers. Is it the same on PC? How do women’s experience compare to other genders in similar surveys?

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          Cethin
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          #91

          For how other genders fair, it’s almost entirely dependent on your voice, so feminine sounding people almost certainly get the same treatment, and masculine sounding people just get treated like normal.

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          • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

            I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.

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            Captain Aggravated
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            #92

            Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you’re probably right.

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            • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

              “girls don’t play video games”

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              samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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              #93

              Oh, right, THAT one.

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              • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”

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                duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                #94

                Yeah, except this was irl at a lan part. Where they could see the woman’s lack of response. Whether they came with their boyfriend or alone, they never showed up to a second time.

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                • C yeehaw

                  I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?

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                  lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                  #95

                  Do mobile games have voice chats? I’ve never seen one that did.

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                    newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                    #96

                    UK who play mobile games

                    So not gaming culture.

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                      lyd@lemmy.ca
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                      “ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓” - lemmy users

                      “women avoid me 🤓” - same lemmy users

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                      • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                        UK who play mobile games

                        So not gaming culture.

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                        smilingsolaris@lemmy.world
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                        #98

                        Shame and exclusion on display. Why do you want to put people down?

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                        • S smilingsolaris@lemmy.world

                          Shame and exclusion on display. Why do you want to put people down?

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                          newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                          #99

                          lol, wut?

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                          • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                            lol, wut?

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                            smilingsolaris@lemmy.world
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                            #100

                            Do you really need that explained to you? The article is about exclusion and shame in the gaming community and you responded in an exclusionary and shameful way.

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                            • S smilingsolaris@lemmy.world

                              Do you really need that explained to you? The article is about exclusion and shame in the gaming community and you responded in an exclusionary and shameful way.

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                              newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                              #101

                              Excluding and shaming who? Nobody.

                              I am not convinced that MOBILE GAMING is a culture. Gaming culture typically is not mobile gaming. Or at least it would not be where I would look to have this discussion, and in fact seems to avoid the real issue: online gaming in the popular spaces: xbox, ps2, and PC.

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                              • L lyd@lemmy.ca

                                “ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓” - lemmy users

                                “women avoid me 🤓” - same lemmy users

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                                newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                #102

                                “ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓”

                                Yeah, that is pretty much true. Or at least you should consider the difference between the types of gaming cultures.

                                Mobile games: There are several studies out about mobile games and the tactics used to keep you playing. This is a very significant difference, as many are pay to win or as a vehicle for ads, so they are designed to keep you playing rather than an end goal. They are convenient and easy to pick up and often used to “kill time”.

                                Studies have shown a correlation between frustration, loneliness, unsocial behaviours in both sexes for mobile games. In the article they said the women felt guilt and shame, but mobile gaming studies show they are not alone. Although many studies suggest that women play more of these types of games then men, which skews the results.

                                So I think it is a valid to question the title that uses the phrase “gaming culture” when there is very little “culture” in psychologically driven revenue generators.

                                Like this comment on hacker news: “…boatload of psychological exploitation tricks that we used to keep people playing (and paying). The game mechanics were literally a rigged slot machine. The meta-game was designed to constantly tantalize you with something just out of reach.”

                                Just like gambling addiction, a constant dopamine machine will make people feel guilty, irritable, and depressed.

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                                • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                                  “ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓”

                                  Yeah, that is pretty much true. Or at least you should consider the difference between the types of gaming cultures.

                                  Mobile games: There are several studies out about mobile games and the tactics used to keep you playing. This is a very significant difference, as many are pay to win or as a vehicle for ads, so they are designed to keep you playing rather than an end goal. They are convenient and easy to pick up and often used to “kill time”.

                                  Studies have shown a correlation between frustration, loneliness, unsocial behaviours in both sexes for mobile games. In the article they said the women felt guilt and shame, but mobile gaming studies show they are not alone. Although many studies suggest that women play more of these types of games then men, which skews the results.

                                  So I think it is a valid to question the title that uses the phrase “gaming culture” when there is very little “culture” in psychologically driven revenue generators.

                                  Like this comment on hacker news: “…boatload of psychological exploitation tricks that we used to keep people playing (and paying). The game mechanics were literally a rigged slot machine. The meta-game was designed to constantly tantalize you with something just out of reach.”

                                  Just like gambling addiction, a constant dopamine machine will make people feel guilty, irritable, and depressed.

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                                  lyd@lemmy.ca
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                                  #103

                                  cool opinion, can you run it through one more time and ask for bullet points so I don’t have to read it?

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                                    cool opinion, can you run it through one more time and ask for bullet points so I don’t have to read it?

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                                    newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                    Implying I used AI? I did not. You should know that, the grammar is not very good and I rambled a bit.

                                    The only thing I did do was use duckduckgo to get the quote right if it wasnt as I remembered it.

                                    So do you have anything to say or did you just want to whine about AI?

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                                    • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                                      Implying I used AI? I did not. You should know that, the grammar is not very good and I rambled a bit.

                                      The only thing I did do was use duckduckgo to get the quote right if it wasnt as I remembered it.

                                      So do you have anything to say or did you just want to whine about AI?

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                                      lyd@lemmy.ca
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                                      #105

                                      I couldn’t believe that someone would reply to my stupid comment with that many words so I didn’t read it.

                                      You saw something about women and video games that you could not tolerate, so you constructed a chain of “logic” that:

                                      • gatekept gaming and gaming culture
                                      • tried to remove gender from the equation
                                      • shifted the blame away from something you like (gaming culture)
                                      • shifted the blame onto something you don’t like (mobile games)
                                      • displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

                                      You’re so smart to realize that this is a simple phenomenon with a neat, tidy, and convenient explanation that doesn’t offend any gamers who don’t like women.

                                      Typical Reddit playbook. I wish your comment was AI.

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                                      • L lyd@lemmy.ca

                                        I couldn’t believe that someone would reply to my stupid comment with that many words so I didn’t read it.

                                        You saw something about women and video games that you could not tolerate, so you constructed a chain of “logic” that:

                                        • gatekept gaming and gaming culture
                                        • tried to remove gender from the equation
                                        • shifted the blame away from something you like (gaming culture)
                                        • shifted the blame onto something you don’t like (mobile games)
                                        • displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

                                        You’re so smart to realize that this is a simple phenomenon with a neat, tidy, and convenient explanation that doesn’t offend any gamers who don’t like women.

                                        Typical Reddit playbook. I wish your comment was AI.

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                                        newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                        #106

                                        You didn’t read it. A couple of sentences. Wow. I wrote it for a reason.

                                        Then you made up a bunch of things to claim I was doing, for who knows why.

                                        So, ok you don’t read, you have some weird agenda to have a gotcha moment, you completely dont get why there is a huge difference in the psychology of mobile games then other games, and have no intellectual interest in understanding any of this.

                                        Like you said it was a stupid comment, I guess. I was only hoping to address why that article could have had a lot more to say, and ended up missing the mark.

                                        displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

                                        Ok enlighten me. I asked a couple of women to read what you wrote, and they find it funny, and disapointing. “what the fuck is he going on about”!

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                                        • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                                          You didn’t read it. A couple of sentences. Wow. I wrote it for a reason.

                                          Then you made up a bunch of things to claim I was doing, for who knows why.

                                          So, ok you don’t read, you have some weird agenda to have a gotcha moment, you completely dont get why there is a huge difference in the psychology of mobile games then other games, and have no intellectual interest in understanding any of this.

                                          Like you said it was a stupid comment, I guess. I was only hoping to address why that article could have had a lot more to say, and ended up missing the mark.

                                          displayed your ignorance about mobile gaming

                                          Ok enlighten me. I asked a couple of women to read what you wrote, and they find it funny, and disapointing. “what the fuck is he going on about”!

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                                          lyd@lemmy.ca
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                                          #107

                                          cool story bro

                                          this research is about you

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