Based Vampire the Masquerade
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Yes and no. Aristocracy can exist independent from fascism, and should be considered entirely separately. However, if they can’t maintain power with a purely conservative/reactionary coalition, aristocrats will almost always side with fascists over liberals, much less socialists. As such, in the modern day, aristocracies are aligned with fascists, despite fascism erasing aristocracy as it ‘succeeds’ and aristocrats being generally aware that fascists do not have their aristocratic interests in mind.
Oh absolutely, it’s just that the modern day aristocrats of capitalism are so short sighted they can’t see past their own nose.
They don’t know that their own wealth is meaningless since rule of law is not theirs, and no one will care if they get epstiened like many Russian oligarchs.
“First they came” and all that
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*Acided.
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Good on them for stating it upfront though. (The mention of “alt-right” indicates a more recent version?).
Back in the 90’s/early 00’s it definitely attracted people both left and right winged.
However from my personal experience right wingers was more prevalent in wargaming compared to rpg’s. (Which really sucked because there you were enjoying a nice back n forth about Warhammer and then out comes the racist nazi talk…)
Games Workshop did good by making a pretty strong statement a while ago. But I’m afraid it’ll always be a thing.
the problem is that they have no media literacy (well, barely any literacy at all) so the satirical nature of Warhammer goes far over their head and they instead unironically think the politics in the game are based.
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the problem is that they have no media literacy (well, barely any literacy at all) so the satirical nature of Warhammer goes far over their head and they instead unironically think the politics in the game are based.
they don’t realize the nazi shit in these games is supposed to be grimdark authoritarian hellscape dystopias, not utopias…
but they can take grimdark authoritarian hellscapes as long as they’re run by nazis.
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Oh absolutely, it’s just that the modern day aristocrats of capitalism are so short sighted they can’t see past their own nose.
They don’t know that their own wealth is meaningless since rule of law is not theirs, and no one will care if they get epstiened like many Russian oligarchs.
“First they came” and all that
There is a difference between aristocracy and oligarchy. Aristocracy is under the thumb of the monarch, oligarchy isn’t.
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There is a difference between aristocracy and oligarchy. Aristocracy is under the thumb of the monarch, oligarchy isn’t.
On the Wikipedia page, it states that oligarchy is “Aristocracy’s corrupt counterpart”.
At the end of the day there is no way an aristocracy doesn’t become corrupt, so the result is just a label
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Good on them for stating it upfront though. (The mention of “alt-right” indicates a more recent version?).
Back in the 90’s/early 00’s it definitely attracted people both left and right winged.
However from my personal experience right wingers was more prevalent in wargaming compared to rpg’s. (Which really sucked because there you were enjoying a nice back n forth about Warhammer and then out comes the racist nazi talk…)
Games Workshop did good by making a pretty strong statement a while ago. But I’m afraid it’ll always be a thing.
I was leery of VtM for a long time because I’d always thought of the mythology of vampires generally to be, well, in line with certain kinds of violent sexual acts that I viscerally did not want to roleplay.
Finally decided to read the lore. Honestly? The setting is genuinely far more complex than I had given it credit for. Anarchs forever!
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On the one hand, good on them for trying a “nazi punks fuck off” type move.
On the other hand, a blood sucking aristocracy that feeds off the “lesser people” beneath them as the protagonists… that’s nearly the definition of fascism?
Being a novice to the lore, I’d say anyone who unironically thinks the Camarilla are right is someone I would punch.
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I mean, they’re fictional, they can be whatever you want them to be
they can be whatever you want them to be
Except for a neo-nazi.
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they don’t realize the nazi shit in these games is supposed to be grimdark authoritarian hellscape dystopias, not utopias…
but they can take grimdark authoritarian hellscapes as long as they’re run by nazis.
They think they’d be space marines or inquisitors in that world. You know one of the one-in-a-trillion kinda folks.
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They think they’d be space marines or inquisitors in that world. You know one of the one-in-a-trillion kinda folks.
Welcome to Flashlight Brigade Conscription! If you face the enemy, you will die. If you refuse to face the enemy, the nearest Commisar will execute you for treason. Same if you try to run. If you want to live, maybe hope for whichever enemy to adopt you as a pet, but that’s less preferable than death in almost all cases.
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they don’t realize the nazi shit in these games is supposed to be grimdark authoritarian hellscape dystopias, not utopias…
but they can take grimdark authoritarian hellscapes as long as they’re run by nazis.
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always is
