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Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy [HW support is there, but "The HDMI forum" doesn’t allow with OpenSource drivers]

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  • T thunderbird4@lemmy.world

    Yes HDMI forum are shitbags, but there are definitely technical advantages to HDMI. Just that I can think of, DisplayPort doesn’t have ARC (audio return for sound systems), or CEC (device can turn on TV/display, TV remote can pause movie playing on console, etc) and the max length for a DisplayPort cable is no more than 3 meters before you have to go to expensive active cables. Most of these are easy to work around for most PC setups, but if Valve wants the gabecube to easily fit into living room/TV setups, it does present a challenge.

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    spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca
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    All of these supposed advantages are solved by USB-C though. Even the length is higher (5m, I believe). I’d be fine if the DisplayPort connector is gone, but the actual standard is just better for most purposes.

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    • steve@communick.newsS steve@communick.news

      That one I linked does HDMI 2.1
      I haven’t seen any that claim 2.2

      There are also cables with DisplayPort on one end and HDMI on the other. No seperate adapter

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      paraphrand
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      I just don’t trust the claims. Looks like mixed reviews on 2.1 features working.

      I wonder what one should actually expect to work in a passive cable/adapter.

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      • paraphrandP paraphrand

        I just don’t trust the claims. Looks like mixed reviews on 2.1 features working.

        I wonder what one should actually expect to work in a passive cable/adapter.

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        steve@communick.news
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        Length matters. Off the top of my head I think the spec is for 16’ max. If you’re dasy changing a pair of 10’+ cables on an adapter like that, you might run into problems.

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        • S spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca

          That’s still a licensing issue: you’re not allowed to license from the HDMI consortium and then freely sublicense to all your users, which is what open source requires. Hopefully this eventually concludes in the end of relevance for HDMI and we can have a freer, and just better ecosystem in general.

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          ramble81@lemmy.zip
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          I don’t see “relevance for HDMI” ending anytime soon. Tell me how easy it is to find a TV with DP inputs. Nearly 99% of consumer gear uses HDMI.

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          • A artyom

            We don’t flock to it, they are forced upon us. Finding TVs that support DP is almost impossible.

            Nothing is forced on anyone. If people refused to buy them they would be forced to add other ports.

            However as someone who considers themselves fairly techy and doesn’t comply with such shitfuckery, I only learned about this last week.

            Moving forward I just won’t be buying any TVs at all.

            Edit: God fucking forbid any of you actually do anything, or even better, refrain from doing anything, besides bitch and moan on the internet.

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            Fluffy Kitty Cat
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            As end consumers we individually have no power to affect the types of products that are offered. What am I supposed to do? Find me a TV that supports DisplayPort

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              Valve Responds To Steam Machine's HDMI 2.1 Display Support Controversy

              Valve has set the record straight over the implementation of HDMI in the upcoming Steam Machine.

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              stupendous@lemmy.world
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              Displayport needs to start showing up on TVs and eventually get standards for stuff like eARC and HDMI CEC

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                It already comes with DP 1.4. enough for me

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                • G grue@lemmy.world

                  Quit posting ancap propaganda.

                  The way this sort of thing would actually improve is by government regulation.

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                  “Vote with your wallet” is not ancap propaganda. “Abolish all money” is.

                  Edit: read it wrong. In my defence cap and com do sound pretty similar. And I think when I read this comment I forgot they existed which is what those oxymorons deserve.

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                    “Vote with your wallet” is not ancap propaganda. “Abolish all money” is.

                    Edit: read it wrong. In my defence cap and com do sound pretty similar. And I think when I read this comment I forgot they existed which is what those oxymorons deserve.

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                    #82

                    What? Ancaps absolutely want money. communists don’t

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                    • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                      Most people who want plug and play probably don’t know what VRR is.

                      Heck I don’t fully remember it and I actually learned why it’s nice and would want it.

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                      brucethemoose@lemmy.world
                      wrote on last edited by brucethemoose@lemmy.world
                      #83

                      It should automatically be enabled if it’s supported, and just give you a straight up better experience. At lower frame rates and budget hardware, the difference is especially dramatic.

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                      • A artyom

                        See how well that has worked over the past 40 years?

                        …extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

                        don’t expect a personal boycott or even advocating heavily for others to the same to have any kind of impact whatsoever.

                        …of course a single person boycotting a product does nothing. People educating themselves about the products they buy and making conscious decisions to buy consumer-friendly products when buying shit (especially expensive shit) does.

                        They just want to go on amazon or to home depot or whatever and buy shit that looks like it will do what they need for a price point they can afford.

                        Plenty of people know and just don’t care. I know because I have these types of conversations all the time.

                        That’s where regulatory oversight comes in

                        See how well that has worked over the past 2000 years?

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                        AmbiguousProps
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                        …extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

                        Can you provide evidence of it working extremely well?

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                          …extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

                          Can you provide evidence of it working extremely well?

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                          ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          This is my response, how often do companies acquiesce to consumer pressure in any meaningful way? This is like asking to prove a negative

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                          • AmbiguousPropsA AmbiguousProps

                            …extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

                            Can you provide evidence of it working extremely well?

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                            artyom
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                            Every time ever? How about Disney getting mass subscription cancellations after canning Kimmy Kimmel?

                            They can’t sell shit that people don’t buy.

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                            • steve@communick.newsS steve@communick.news

                              Length matters. Off the top of my head I think the spec is for 16’ max. If you’re dasy changing a pair of 10’+ cables on an adapter like that, you might run into problems.

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                              paraphrand
                              wrote on last edited by paraphrand@lemmy.world
                              #87

                              Length matters on most cables, USB, FireWire, HDMI, DisplayPort, etc. The question here is if all of the features translate properly. Not all passive adapters are equally capable, and this is true for a few standards/cable types.

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                              • A artyom

                                Every time ever? How about Disney getting mass subscription cancellations after canning Kimmy Kimmel?

                                They can’t sell shit that people don’t buy.

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                                AmbiguousProps
                                wrote on last edited by ambiguousprops@lemmy.today
                                #88

                                How does a subscription compare to TV purchases? How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”? Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist. Why?

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                                • AmbiguousPropsA AmbiguousProps

                                  How does a subscription compare to TV purchases? How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”? Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist. Why?

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                                  artyom
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                                  How does a subscription compare to TV purchases?

                                  How does it not? It’s a withheld purchase (AKA “voting with your wallet”)

                                  How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”?

                                  It doesn’t and wasn’t supposed to. The last part did.

                                  Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist.

                                  They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t exist.

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                                  • A artyom

                                    See how well that has worked over the past 40 years?

                                    …extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?

                                    don’t expect a personal boycott or even advocating heavily for others to the same to have any kind of impact whatsoever.

                                    …of course a single person boycotting a product does nothing. People educating themselves about the products they buy and making conscious decisions to buy consumer-friendly products when buying shit (especially expensive shit) does.

                                    They just want to go on amazon or to home depot or whatever and buy shit that looks like it will do what they need for a price point they can afford.

                                    Plenty of people know and just don’t care. I know because I have these types of conversations all the time.

                                    That’s where regulatory oversight comes in

                                    See how well that has worked over the past 2000 years?

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                                    ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked? Especially in terms of anti consumer decisions and not just culture war bullshit where the sales trends are almost always temporary and linked to collective groups that apply pressure onto retailers.

                                    People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point. People don’t want to do this about every fucking thing. You’re on lemmy. You’re a fucking nerd. I’m not disparaging you, I’m here too. I like researching my product purchases and I get angry about this shit. But my partner? My parents? My neighbors? My siblings? Most of the people I work with? They don’t give a fuck. They don’t want to be bothered. They want to just buy a tv and watch it. We are the minority.

                                    This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided. So let’s say you set up the framework for it: it’s already mostly there, obviously, since you and I can find this info. But then you need to address why most people don’t care. Education? Resources? Other systemic issues? Good luck doing that on a timeline that isn’t generational. In the meantime big tech tightens their stranglehold significantly on the systems that control the majority of the fucking world.

                                    I have seen how regulatory oversight can work. It’s a fight and a battle to keep it working, of course, with constant attacks. That’s why regulatory states that have seen some success, like the EU, are failing, and others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric

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                                    • S stupendous@lemmy.world

                                      Displayport needs to start showing up on TVs and eventually get standards for stuff like eARC and HDMI CEC

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                                      flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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                                      TV OEMs are apparently part of the HDMI forum and therefore complicit.

                                      We need EU regulation if we want to have this.

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                                      • paraphrandP paraphrand

                                        Length matters on most cables, USB, FireWire, HDMI, DisplayPort, etc. The question here is if all of the features translate properly. Not all passive adapters are equally capable, and this is true for a few standards/cable types.

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                                        steve@communick.news
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                                        Both HDMI and display port are at their core, data cables. As long as the noise is low enough to maintain bandwidth, it’ll be fine. The cables them selves don’t have any intelligence to determine one feature over another.

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                                        • steve@communick.newsS steve@communick.news

                                          Both HDMI and display port are at their core, data cables. As long as the noise is low enough to maintain bandwidth, it’ll be fine. The cables them selves don’t have any intelligence to determine one feature over another.

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                                          paraphrand
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                                          #93

                                          That makes this situation/discussion really strange then.

                                          Because if an adapter from DP to HDMI fixed this driver issue, Valve would know and would just include an adapter in the box. Right? There wouldn’t be these statements from Valve without mentioning the obvious solution?

                                          I’m not sure we are on the same page about what the core issue is with suggesting an adapter will address concerns over HDMI 2.1 and 2.2 features on Linux/Steam Machines.

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