Bill C-2 isn’t law yet. It needs to be crushed to dust and never considered again. In fact most post-2000s terrorism legislation needs to be repealed. It has never protected anyone but simply made dissent harder and less effective.

Well, he called Greenland “Iceland” 4 times in a meandering, somewhat incoherent ramble of a speech.

If everyone who voted for the party that aligned with their views I think they’d be pretty surprised at who really had “no chance of winning”. The Liberals didn’t throw voting reform in the garbage for nothing.

Can you imagine pp in this moment, jfc

I was reading The Guardian’s live feed of his speech and it was freaking hilarious.

Stuff like, “Trump is speaking on how Canada should appreciate him, and now he’s off on another tangent.” Lol.

The guy you responded to is on the far left economically. Think the polar opposite of libertarian, who thinks there are no redeeming qualities of our current economic systems, and rather than fixing things incrementally, if we instead massively overhaul the system, we will surely have a much better economic picture.

Not sure what he believes about democracy, but I’m guessing he also objects to that as well. In other words, hardly with the time of day.

We really need actual leftists and not bankers leading the way and I regret voting for him and not voting NDP or to a communist party (even if they had no chance of winning)

Why would you have to worry if they would win or not? Didn’t the liberal party get elected with a mandate to pass electoral reform recently? Surely they would keep their promises!

I voted for Carney because I dreaded PP. I didn’t realize the extent of how much he would be talking out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand acting like it is all over, but on the other hand doing everything he can to appease the US and passing online and ‘strong borders’ act that effectively destroy privacy online for Canadians AND share or straight up hand that information over to the US authorities just like that.

I think that this is likely just how politics is done now. On one hand you have a guy that will keep giving the elites what they want. On the other, you have a complete wackadoo that’ll scare the voters into picking the first guy. It’s like voting with a gun to your head.

As a bonus, if on the off chance people do end up voting for the wackadoo, well then it’s party time. We have plenty of current examples of that.

I’m just amazed that you were surprised. That’s how the Liberals have always been, constantly trying to play it safe except that safe has just meant doing the things that don’t piss off rich corporations or the US too much because they’re afraid of standing up for us.

Ten years ago they ran on voting reform and then, when a committee made up of people from every party said that they needed to ditch FPTP they said it was “too difficult” and then never spoke about it again because that same committee also showed them that they would lose a lot of ground if people got to actually choose what they wanted. Doing that they openly stated that they don’t give a single flying fuck about democracy and we STILL consider them a serious party? Yea, fuck that noise.

Horrible, obviously. But why do we constantly force ourselves into steadily worse situations with the center-right to the point where we even have to consider that at all? And besides, that’s always the same lame excuse. It’s going to come up eventually and we may as well be equipped to fight back, unlike right now were we just have Harper style Conservatives instead of PP style ones. Congrats, we’re fucking stupid.

Can’t argue with that, just seems that carney was the best equipped out of the choices we had to meet this moment, even if he’s not perfect. I do hope for an ndp future, but here we are…

This is the most illiterate, brain-dead take of what I’ve been saying. Yea, I hate democracy because I want us to vote for the parties which align with our beliefs and I think that the party which canned any hope of voting reform, specifically because it would mean they would start losing if we got to really choose, is a party of liars that we shouldn’t support. Ya know, because they were told the only way to win was to steal elections and they values winning more than democracy. And I’M the one who hates democracy? Get so bent, coward.

The Liberals a) are going more right over time so that’s hardly fixing anything at any pace and b) we do not have 200+ years for things to slowly get better when we have the scientific community screaming and begging us to do the right thing today. We don’t have time for broken promises and feel-good speeches made by those whose actions do not support the words they’re saying.

If you hope for an NDP future then you have to support it even when it’s scary. We keep kneecapping them and then complaining when they don’t have the power to do the objectively better things they promise. They even still manage to get some shit done when they can create coalitions and force the Liberals to actually do some good for the country. The NDP is the reason why we have even a small amount of dental coverage, for example, and then we go off about how they don’t know politics the same like what the hell are we smoking?

I’ll never get what people mean when they say that Singh “wasn’t ready” while voting for a bunch of losers who had no business being in government and who, even if they were “ready”, used that readiness to fuck us over. Imagine if the people of Middle Earth looked at Aragorn* and said “well he’s never been king before and Denethor might be straight-up insane but he UnDeRsTaNdS pOLiTiCs and with Sauron right there is now really the Right Time?”. That’d be crazy, and we’d all have walked out of the theatre, yet we’re doing exactly that.

*I’m not saying Singh is Aragorn-like and will not engage with anyone ignoring the obvious message in favour of hanging on that part of an analogy.

Eh, I do, I voted ndp, and my riding got the candidate. Now, I still think Carney is better equipped to steer an economy so that Canada doesn’t collapse under the weight of the current monstrosity that is the US, but yes, the average person is far and away better off with the NDP.

I think we can have the nuance to believe both can be true. Meeting the world where it is, and not where we think it should be requires some reflection on priorities in any given moment. That said, I hope we can pivot towards more socialism once external economic factors have been more sorted out, despite being a banker, I do think he has Canada’s best interests in mind. Either way, we’ll see I suppose

Ummm… Yeah? That was the point?

Did you read or listen to the speech to know who the “them” in this context is about, though?

It’s us. Canada. Medium powers.

Listen to the speech; it’s one for the history books. Carney hit the nail on the head.

We’d probably invade Greenland ourselves if he did lol.

Thank God he didn’t win.

This is exactly what I like to hear. The oligarchs that have made a mockery of my country’s democracy need to be put in their place. They’ve been parasites to our nation for far too long.

But this is exactly the thing, strong economies are built on small amounts changing hands often. There are no situations where the economy is strong because we hand our money over to corporations. If Carney was truly the guy for our economy he wouldn’t be doing most of the things he’s doing when it comes to hurting the average person and damaging our country for private oil and gas companies.

He doesn’t give a shit about us but we’re absurdly gullible and, to rephrase my earlier Aragorn/Denethor comment “yes the progressives are looking towards studies, history, and advice from experts in the field but this Carney guy understands the economy because he’s a banker!” and we say that while almost everyone will agree, for one reason or another and to varying degrees, that banks are institutionalized theft. It sounds good unless you actually put any amount of thought into it and we are not thinking.

I feel like he’s the perfect person to navigate the second Trump term.