I’m just amazed that you were surprised. That’s how the Liberals have always been, constantly trying to play it safe except that safe has just meant doing the things that don’t piss off rich corporations or the US too much because they’re afraid of standing up for us.

Ten years ago they ran on voting reform and then, when a committee made up of people from every party said that they needed to ditch FPTP they said it was “too difficult” and then never spoke about it again because that same committee also showed them that they would lose a lot of ground if people got to actually choose what they wanted. Doing that they openly stated that they don’t give a single flying fuck about democracy and we STILL consider them a serious party? Yea, fuck that noise.

Horrible, obviously. But why do we constantly force ourselves into steadily worse situations with the center-right to the point where we even have to consider that at all? And besides, that’s always the same lame excuse. It’s going to come up eventually and we may as well be equipped to fight back, unlike right now were we just have Harper style Conservatives instead of PP style ones. Congrats, we’re fucking stupid.

Can’t argue with that, just seems that carney was the best equipped out of the choices we had to meet this moment, even if he’s not perfect. I do hope for an ndp future, but here we are…

This is the most illiterate, brain-dead take of what I’ve been saying. Yea, I hate democracy because I want us to vote for the parties which align with our beliefs and I think that the party which canned any hope of voting reform, specifically because it would mean they would start losing if we got to really choose, is a party of liars that we shouldn’t support. Ya know, because they were told the only way to win was to steal elections and they values winning more than democracy. And I’M the one who hates democracy? Get so bent, coward.

The Liberals a) are going more right over time so that’s hardly fixing anything at any pace and b) we do not have 200+ years for things to slowly get better when we have the scientific community screaming and begging us to do the right thing today. We don’t have time for broken promises and feel-good speeches made by those whose actions do not support the words they’re saying.

If you hope for an NDP future then you have to support it even when it’s scary. We keep kneecapping them and then complaining when they don’t have the power to do the objectively better things they promise. They even still manage to get some shit done when they can create coalitions and force the Liberals to actually do some good for the country. The NDP is the reason why we have even a small amount of dental coverage, for example, and then we go off about how they don’t know politics the same like what the hell are we smoking?

I’ll never get what people mean when they say that Singh “wasn’t ready” while voting for a bunch of losers who had no business being in government and who, even if they were “ready”, used that readiness to fuck us over. Imagine if the people of Middle Earth looked at Aragorn* and said “well he’s never been king before and Denethor might be straight-up insane but he UnDeRsTaNdS pOLiTiCs and with Sauron right there is now really the Right Time?”. That’d be crazy, and we’d all have walked out of the theatre, yet we’re doing exactly that.

*I’m not saying Singh is Aragorn-like and will not engage with anyone ignoring the obvious message in favour of hanging on that part of an analogy.

Eh, I do, I voted ndp, and my riding got the candidate. Now, I still think Carney is better equipped to steer an economy so that Canada doesn’t collapse under the weight of the current monstrosity that is the US, but yes, the average person is far and away better off with the NDP.

I think we can have the nuance to believe both can be true. Meeting the world where it is, and not where we think it should be requires some reflection on priorities in any given moment. That said, I hope we can pivot towards more socialism once external economic factors have been more sorted out, despite being a banker, I do think he has Canada’s best interests in mind. Either way, we’ll see I suppose

Ummm… Yeah? That was the point?

Did you read or listen to the speech to know who the “them” in this context is about, though?

It’s us. Canada. Medium powers.

Listen to the speech; it’s one for the history books. Carney hit the nail on the head.

We’d probably invade Greenland ourselves if he did lol.

Thank God he didn’t win.

This is exactly what I like to hear. The oligarchs that have made a mockery of my country’s democracy need to be put in their place. They’ve been parasites to our nation for far too long.

But this is exactly the thing, strong economies are built on small amounts changing hands often. There are no situations where the economy is strong because we hand our money over to corporations. If Carney was truly the guy for our economy he wouldn’t be doing most of the things he’s doing when it comes to hurting the average person and damaging our country for private oil and gas companies.

He doesn’t give a shit about us but we’re absurdly gullible and, to rephrase my earlier Aragorn/Denethor comment “yes the progressives are looking towards studies, history, and advice from experts in the field but this Carney guy understands the economy because he’s a banker!” and we say that while almost everyone will agree, for one reason or another and to varying degrees, that banks are institutionalized theft. It sounds good unless you actually put any amount of thought into it and we are not thinking.

I feel like he’s the perfect person to navigate the second Trump term.

No one voted for Carney. They all voted against Milhouse. Except Alberta.

PP would be negotiating the annexation of Canada in 2025. No one seems to care the head of the PC party was an actual US citizen.

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I agree with that.

He is good at saying the right thing, and I think this was a significant speech historically. But Carney is a conservative neoliberal and will act like one. Canada needs to be forming new alliances and other countries need to realize they should do this too. He’s right about that. But internally Canada will become weaker and weaker without left social policies, and history shows that if you immiserate the people in a time of stress, you increase the appeal of fascist demagogues. Traitors like PP are standing by to take over when the people are desperate enough. Though Carney is far smarter and bolder than Keir Starmer, domestically he is taking the same risk of handing to country to the fascists by offering nothing for ordinary people who are struggling.

That was one line that stuck out as being cheap and ill-consideted. I get the point he was making but the slogan was too tempting and rang ugly.

Yes, reading it charitably, the lie in the sign was the pretence that the government truly fought for the workers rather than looking after themselves.

Reading it charitably, I think the point was that they stuck to the slogan (a perfectly noble one) as an expression of support for the government, long after it had become clear to everyone that the government wasn’t serving the workers any more, if it ever truly had been. Similarly, the rules-based international order is a noble idea that everyone still voices commitment to, though everyone has known for a while that it has nothing to do with what the imperial USA and its vassal states really do.

Actually, what Carney aid was ‘Time for the rest of the world to start making the rules, not America.’