#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
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@ami_angelwings yess! See also, time freezing. Atoms. I need to breathe
@bikubi also when people phase out of normal physical existence, how they breathe, or even move, if gravity affects them, etc
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
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@ami_angelwings Time travel models that don't at least try to answer the question of "why not go back in time again and fix your previous time travel fuckup?" Whenever I replay Chrono Trigger, I just want to go back to an earlier point in one of the eras and un-do something.
There's so many ways of addressing that, like Link Click handles it by having the concept of an "anchor," or there's other stories that just run with "yep, you can!" It's always weird when that question is left hanging.
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@bikubi also when people phase out of normal physical existence, how they breathe, or even move, if gravity affects them, etc
@ami_angelwings @bikubi So much this...
If you can walk through walls, air atoms are just going to pass right through your lungs.
But, here's the thing...
If you walk through walls......
The floor also doesn't exist for you!!!
So if you're phased out, you're going to die in the heat of the planetary core or the cold of space or whatever whenever you phase back in. Or if you don't you'll just suffocate.
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@ami_angelwings @bikubi So much this...
If you can walk through walls, air atoms are just going to pass right through your lungs.
But, here's the thing...
If you walk through walls......
The floor also doesn't exist for you!!!
So if you're phased out, you're going to die in the heat of the planetary core or the cold of space or whatever whenever you phase back in. Or if you don't you'll just suffocate.
@nazokiyoubinbou @bikubi I like the next generation episode "The Next Phase" because it's a great character episode about Geordi and Ro, but nothing about it made any sense to me, even as a child, I was like how do they breathe! why aren't they falling through the floor? shouldn't they just phase through everything and be left behind by the Enterprise as it flies around?
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@ami_angelwings "If you die in the Matrix you die in real life"
It's petty but it means that almost nobody is willing to spend a couple hours thinking of a different way to create stakes in a scenario involving a holodeck/vr/whatever. And so every holodeck/vr/whatever story ends up basically exactly the same.
But there ARE ways. Hell, fucking Star Trek Voyager in one of its worst slumps figured out a way.
@MorningSong @ami_angelwings The Holodeck at least made sense. It had safety mechanisms to keep what happened from actually killing a person. But if the safeties go off, then it would affect you via normal physics or whatever.
But the other things... Yeah, they just have to tack something on. Like for dying in VR to make sense the system itself has to shock your heart into stopping or something on purpose. That's not even a mechanism that makes sense... For the Matrix to kill a person it has to actually kill their body separately on principle... (That one bothered me especially because they were supposed to be using it as a system of supposedly getting power from people in the system. By letting people die the Matrix was decreasing power capabilities...)
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@ami_angelwings shrinking. Can not stop thinking about atoms, and how dense shrunk people would be
@bikubi @ami_angelwings i was under the impression that they tried doing this by replacing electrons with muons to do fusion at really low temperatures but the muons decay too quickly (? there was some limiting factor) so as far as anyone can tell it's guaranteed never to produce energy
but it's still concerning that if you shrank too much you might fuse at room temperature
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@bikubi @ami_angelwings i was under the impression that they tried doing this by replacing electrons with muons to do fusion at really low temperatures but the muons decay too quickly (? there was some limiting factor) so as far as anyone can tell it's guaranteed never to produce energy
but it's still concerning that if you shrank too much you might fuse at room temperature
@estelle @ami_angelwings wait, who? whose muons?
but yes, sounds plausible
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@nazokiyoubinbou @bikubi I like the next generation episode "The Next Phase" because it's a great character episode about Geordi and Ro, but nothing about it made any sense to me, even as a child, I was like how do they breathe! why aren't they falling through the floor? shouldn't they just phase through everything and be left behind by the Enterprise as it flies around?
@ami_angelwings @bikubi Same!
I guess I didn't think about the air (although in retrospect that should have been obvious,) but I definitely realized that nothing would hold them in place. They'd either fall through or, as you say, just not get pulled along as it moves.
I mean it isn't just selective like, say, the bottoms of their feet still being there or the bottoms of their feet would catch when they tried to go through walls.
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@MorningSong @ami_angelwings The Holodeck at least made sense. It had safety mechanisms to keep what happened from actually killing a person. But if the safeties go off, then it would affect you via normal physics or whatever.
But the other things... Yeah, they just have to tack something on. Like for dying in VR to make sense the system itself has to shock your heart into stopping or something on purpose. That's not even a mechanism that makes sense... For the Matrix to kill a person it has to actually kill their body separately on principle... (That one bothered me especially because they were supposed to be using it as a system of supposedly getting power from people in the system. By letting people die the Matrix was decreasing power capabilities...)
@nazokiyoubinbou @MorningSong when I first saw the matrix and they said if you die in the matrix you die in real life I was like that doesn't make sense, and I really really thought the ending would be that Neo realizes it doesn't make sense and that's how he survives death by not believing in it, mind you I also thought he would basically just live as a consciousness in the Matrix without need for a body at the end
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
#fiction #Television #TV #manga #anime #film #movies #books #CCGs #ttrpg #videogames #comics #comicbooks
@ami_angelwings
Women looking at their newborn squeeling
"He's beautiful!"Having been through the experience I can say the tiny person is very loveable, but you are tired, sore, and the baby is blueish and covered in slime. Beautiful is _not_ the word.
Also, that the mom usually dies minutes after saying that line makes it even worse.
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@MorningSong @ami_angelwings The Holodeck at least made sense. It had safety mechanisms to keep what happened from actually killing a person. But if the safeties go off, then it would affect you via normal physics or whatever.
But the other things... Yeah, they just have to tack something on. Like for dying in VR to make sense the system itself has to shock your heart into stopping or something on purpose. That's not even a mechanism that makes sense... For the Matrix to kill a person it has to actually kill their body separately on principle... (That one bothered me especially because they were supposed to be using it as a system of supposedly getting power from people in the system. By letting people die the Matrix was decreasing power capabilities...)
@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings Yeah, there's a reasonable watsonian explanation for holodeck malfunctions, but a well-reasoned plot isn't a *good* plot, and it means that with like... three exceptions i can think of over the entire 90s trek era, every holodeck malfunction episode is basically exactly the same.
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@nazokiyoubinbou @bikubi I like the next generation episode "The Next Phase" because it's a great character episode about Geordi and Ro, but nothing about it made any sense to me, even as a child, I was like how do they breathe! why aren't they falling through the floor? shouldn't they just phase through everything and be left behind by the Enterprise as it flies around?
@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou it's like the sheer amount of obvious surface impossibilities has my brain idle at like 30%... leaves only 35% for each ro and geordie
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@estelle @ami_angelwings wait, who? whose muons?
but yes, sounds plausible@bikubi @ami_angelwings negative charge like electron but beeg (so it sits closer to the nucleus)
but also extremely prone to decay, so...
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@nazokiyoubinbou @MorningSong when I first saw the matrix and they said if you die in the matrix you die in real life I was like that doesn't make sense, and I really really thought the ending would be that Neo realizes it doesn't make sense and that's how he survives death by not believing in it, mind you I also thought he would basically just live as a consciousness in the Matrix without need for a body at the end
@ami_angelwings @MorningSong Honestly the whole thing is crazy silly. It would make a lot more sense just to setup chemical pools or something to do the same stuff human bodies do if it came to that, but putting that aside, why do a whole big fake world? Just trap people's minds in some looping trippy thing so they never really know what's going on and they would never even learn enough from birth to even think "is reality even real?"
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@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings Yeah, there's a reasonable watsonian explanation for holodeck malfunctions, but a well-reasoned plot isn't a *good* plot, and it means that with like... three exceptions i can think of over the entire 90s trek era, every holodeck malfunction episode is basically exactly the same.
@MorningSong @ami_angelwings They definitely overutilized the idea way too much, I'll agree with that. It never should have even become a trope in the first place... Just like a one-off.
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@nazokiyoubinbou @MorningSong when I first saw the matrix and they said if you die in the matrix you die in real life I was like that doesn't make sense, and I really really thought the ending would be that Neo realizes it doesn't make sense and that's how he survives death by not believing in it, mind you I also thought he would basically just live as a consciousness in the Matrix without need for a body at the end
@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou So I know people defend the Matrix sequels on a number of principles, but they're just so unsatisfying from a worldbuilding perspective and also like, looking on from 25 years later, the ending is so unsatisfying. The humans traded their one bargaining chip for a chance at a peace that can easily be unilateraly broken by the machines at any time.
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@5easypieces @ami_angelwings Banking would be possible with compensating lateral thrusters though. That's already a thing in modern ships. The real issue there is the mechanism of somehow compensating so people standing up or not strapped down thoroughly don't go flying against the walls. Star Trek definitely didn't care.
I don't know about shields. I've seen some things talk about concepts like really powerful electromagnetic fields being utilized and theoretically that could do somewhat maybe, possibly. Or other ideas like manipulating some actual physical material? Definite scifi trope, but maybe not impossible.
Having an alarm system does make sense though and red would definitely be the critical alarm color. That's pretty much a non-scifi thing.
@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings To be clear, I've got no problems with red alerts. We should have alerts and they should be red.
It is just funny to me that in scifi, shields just kind of...exist. We have collectively decided that if you have a spacecraft, that spacecraft will have shields. That repel particles and energy. That can be "weakened" somehow by repeated pummeling by said particles and energy.
I'm okay with Uhura falling towards the turbolift, but shields? Impossible!
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@ami_angelwings Time travel models that don't at least try to answer the question of "why not go back in time again and fix your previous time travel fuckup?" Whenever I replay Chrono Trigger, I just want to go back to an earlier point in one of the eras and un-do something.
There's so many ways of addressing that, like Link Click handles it by having the concept of an "anchor," or there's other stories that just run with "yep, you can!" It's always weird when that question is left hanging.
@xgranade I agree with this and also I hate when they have "band-aid" rules totally disconnected from the rest of the time travel mechanics to stop it (c.f. the Rose's Dad ep from the first revived Doctor Who season)
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@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou So I know people defend the Matrix sequels on a number of principles, but they're just so unsatisfying from a worldbuilding perspective and also like, looking on from 25 years later, the ending is so unsatisfying. The humans traded their one bargaining chip for a chance at a peace that can easily be unilateraly broken by the machines at any time.
@MorningSong @nazokiyoubinbou I defend nothing, not the Matrix sequels, not the Star Wars prequels, if it's bad it's bad and I'm not going to spend brain energy trying to rehabilitate them just because they're in a franchise I liked the original things in
Like I always say when people constantly revisit the prequels to find new meaning in them or talk about the newest mid Star Wars thing and how actually...
"Would we be spending this much energy trying to justify how it all makes sense if it wasn't named Star Wars?"
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@xerozohar I liked that they kept Thomas Riker, that was fresh to me, but I hated that they didn't do anything with him but bring him back for one ratings baiting early season DS9 episode (they even advertised it as Riker guest stars in DS9) and then have him just be thrown in a Cardassian gulag somewhere forever I guess
@ami_angelwings Exactly! There is so much they could have done with that. But noooooo
