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  • Magnus AhltorpA Magnus Ahltorp

    @huntingdon @VisualStuart ICE has any power they take for themselves until someone actually stops them. And juridical methods don’t count at ”stopping” unless there is actual enforcement.

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    @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart the only effective means to stop them are physics!

    • The #2A exists precisely to stop on the #AmericanGestapo!

    Why ain't people freeing those #US #citizens?

    • Do all those that look away believe they'll be spared??

    #FuckICE #fascism #Trumpism #USpol

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    • Stuart CelarierV Stuart Celarier

      What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

      Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

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      The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

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      @VisualStuart I see from other news articles that this isn't the first time ICE has swept homeless encampments to meet their quotas. It would be difficult for many homeless people to prove their citizenship, given they are so often victims of theft.

      Thank goodness these folk had tribal members to vouch for them.

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      • RoknrolR Roknrol

        @fella The police are very selective about which laws they feel like enforcing.

        @dmayhood @VisualStuart

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        @roknrol

        Including the ones they make up on the spot.

        @fella @dmayhood @VisualStuart

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        • huntingdonH huntingdon

          @VisualStuart

          I presume habeas corpus petitions will be filed shortly, to find out where and on what basis ICE is detaining three US citizen Oglala Sioux.

          ICE's has very limited police powers. They are restricted to immigration enforcement. They have no authority to make random stops, to detain generally, or to enter into any private space without a warrant signed by an Art. III judge.

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          Glitzersachen
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          @huntingdon @VisualStuart

          You don't seriously expect ICE goons understanding the actual details of the status of the first nations? Their own education in these topics was likely restricted to movies in the Western genre. They are probably thinking they're "saving America from the Indians".

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          • Mike McCaffrey :pdx_badge:M Mike McCaffrey :pdx_badge:

            @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart Referring to ICE as the Gestapo might imply that they are shrewd political operators, but this group of thugs is much closer to a classic American lynch mob.

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            @mikemccaffrey @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart

            In my region, it wasn't GESTAPO who murdered concentration camp inmates who had managed to flee from Mauthausen in 1945, it was SS and Hitlerjugend boys and other locals.
            (And they also went from door to door).

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            • RoknrolR Roknrol

              @fella The police are very selective about which laws they feel like enforcing.

              @dmayhood @VisualStuart

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              @roknrol @fella @dmayhood @VisualStuart Oh, they'll enforce any law, it's WHO they enforce laws upon that is very selective.

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              • Mike McCaffrey :pdx_badge:M Mike McCaffrey :pdx_badge:

                @MissConstrue @nielso @VisualStuart Referring to ICE as the Gestapo might imply that they are shrewd political operators, but this group of thugs is much closer to a classic American lynch mob.

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                @mikemccaffrey @nielso @VisualStuart

                I see your overall point, but I’d argue the enforcers have always been dumb thugs. That’s what dumb thugs are for. The leadership of the Gestapo may have been strategic thinkers, but not so much the head breakers.

                Just as today, ICE is being piloted by Vought and Miller, both despicably evil creatures. Miller may be most evil, what with being a haunted Victorian doll possessed by the souls of unrepentant Nazis, but Russell Vought is pretty goddamned evil, and operating under the radar.

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                • Stuart CelarierV Stuart Celarier

                  What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

                  Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

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                  Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

                  The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

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                  @VisualStuart call all representatives and senators and demand investigation

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                  • Stuart CelarierV Stuart Celarier

                    What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

                    Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

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                    Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

                    The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

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                    @VisualStuart @EllisArcwolf the "immigration agreement" needs to be "ICE members will be sent to Siberia."

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                    • G Glitzersachen

                      @huntingdon @VisualStuart

                      You don't seriously expect ICE goons understanding the actual details of the status of the first nations? Their own education in these topics was likely restricted to movies in the Western genre. They are probably thinking they're "saving America from the Indians".

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                      @glitzersachen @huntingdon @VisualStuart it's a simple flow chart: skin tone brown => fash thug mode.

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                      • LaukidhL Laukidh

                        @VisualStuart “Homeland Security refused to release more information, unless the tribe “entered into an immigration agreement with ICE.””

                        The heck kind of agreement?

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                        @Laukidh @VisualStuart

                        i'm sure it's a treaty, like all the treaties native americans have been forced to sign and then get screwed by.

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                        • Greg BellF Greg Bell

                          @VisualStuart so, hostages

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                          @ferrix @VisualStuart

                          "Hostages" implies a willingness to trade them for desired things.

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                          • Stuart CelarierV Stuart Celarier

                            What the actual fuck? ICE has been holding three members of the Oglala Sioux tribe in detention since Friday. Tribal members are US citizens by statute.

                            Homeland Security is refusing to release any information on these tribal members, other than first names, until the tribe enters into an "immigration agreement" with ICE. Again, WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

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                            Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

                            The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

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                            @VisualStuart honorary immigrants. Just not white enough to count as American.

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                            • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

                              @VisualStuart

                              😡

                              ICE are openly admitting it isn't about "immigration", it's all about white supremacy.

                              White Supremacy Enforcement would be a more accurate name.

                              Where the F are they going to "deport" Native Americans to?

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                              @FediThing @VisualStuart ICE Indiscriminate Caucasian Exterminators?

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                              • ElsaE Elsa

                                @nielso @VisualStuart and this times require humans that stand up for the ones who cant defend themselves. I somehow miss them in the Land of the brave. Pls correct me if wrong.

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                                @elsa @nielso @VisualStuart Cambodians should stand up and defend Americans as a thank you for the megatons of illegal bombs thrown on top of their heads in the illegal, secret, congress-unapproved war against a country there was no declaration of war against, called Operation Menu.

                                Defend those who deliberately, willingly, knowingly and intentionally voted for a known authoritarian.

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                                • Stuart CelarierV Stuart Celarier

                                  @angeldruckt Tribal members are Native Americans, however the term tribal members in this case also indicates that they are registered members of a federally recognized tribe.

                                  By contrast, the Chinook of the Pacific Northwest are not a federally recognized tribe which denies Chinook members access to federal healthcare, housing, and education benefits.

                                  https://chinooknation.org/recognition/

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                                  @VisualStuart @angeldruckt I feel

                                  e x t r e m e l y ​ ​ s t r o n g ​ ​ c o n t e m p t

                                  towards the US regime when I am reading that "Chinook of the Pacific Northwest are not a federally recognized tribe which denies Chinook members access to federal healthcare, housing, and education benefits."

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                                  • samiamsamS samiamsam

                                    @VisualStuart

                                    Native Americans ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS

                                    OMFG

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                                    @samiamsam @VisualStuart non-native Americans are immigrants.

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                                    • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

                                      @VisualStuart

                                      ICE is voter suppression.

                                      Trump's corrupt GOP did the same thing during his 1st regime, mess with tribal ID used for voting.
                                      https://www.kwtx.com/2026/01/12/tribe-says-it-believes-ice-is-targeting-indigenous-people-across-country/

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                                      Federal and state governments have a duty to give Native American voters equal access to the ballot.

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                                      How the GOP's SAVE Act includes 'poison pills' for some voters

                                      The push by House Republicans and the Trump administration to require voters to show proof of citizenship could imperil Native American votes.

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                                      Trump's attempt to overturn birthright citizenship uses century-old Native American case | CBC News

                                      Indigenous people in the U.S. are worried by President Donald Trump's attempt to end birthright citizenship, a constitutional right, using a 19th century case that denied citizenship to a Native American. 

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                                      @Npars01 @VisualStuart In Czech Republic, European Union🇪🇺 many people came with a legal electronic ID and were denied voting.

                                      #DigitalitarianDigitatorship #DigitalitníDigitatura #czech #czechrepublic #votersuppression #elections

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                                      • Magnus AhltorpA Magnus Ahltorp

                                        @huntingdon @VisualStuart ICE has any power they take for themselves until someone actually stops them. And juridical methods don’t count at ”stopping” unless there is actual enforcement.

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                                        @ahltorp @huntingdon @VisualStuart Can a citizen use a legally owned stopping power in castle doctrine or stand my ground doctrine against an ICE agent which illegally enters private space without a warrant signed by an Art. III judge?

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                                        • Karel 'Clock' K.C Karel 'Clock' K.

                                          @VisualStuart @angeldruckt I feel

                                          e x t r e m e l y ​ ​ s t r o n g ​ ​ c o n t e m p t

                                          towards the US regime when I am reading that "Chinook of the Pacific Northwest are not a federally recognized tribe which denies Chinook members access to federal healthcare, housing, and education benefits."

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                                          @clock @angeldruckt Read their description of this at the link I included. Sickening.

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