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  • N Alex

    @benroyce

    Dude, half your posts are attacking the left. Maybe read this post back to yourself and make MAGA the target of your venom

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    #7

    @nap

    this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

    so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

    πŸ˜†

    if you're confused, please try to make sense

    if you're trolling, try harder next time

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    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

      Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

      Toxic idealism

      Spineless capitulation

      Mindless cynicism

      "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

      And lazy entitlement

      Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

      Make MAGA the target of your venom

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      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @benroyce dit geldt ook voor NL, rechts wijst naar Links voor alle problemen en linkse partijen wijzen naar elkaar of zelfs intern, zijn geen eenheid #GL-@PvdA

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      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

        Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

        Toxic idealism

        Spineless capitulation

        Mindless cynicism

        "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

        And lazy entitlement

        Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

        Make MAGA the target of your venom

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        #9

        @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

        Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

          @nap

          this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

          so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

          πŸ˜†

          if you're confused, please try to make sense

          if you're trolling, try harder next time

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          Alex
          wrote last edited by
          #10

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

          @benroyce

          Oh, so this was attacking:
          https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

          And this was criticism:
          https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

          I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

          Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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          • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

            @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

            Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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            wrote last edited by
            #11

            @TenPastTwo

            i won't troll you but i will castigate you

            never mention #Chomsky again

            nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

            Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

            he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

            Fuck #NoamChomsky

            And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

            A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

            Chomsky is not of the left

            Not anymore at least

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            • N Alex

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

              @benroyce

              Oh, so this was attacking:
              https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

              And this was criticism:
              https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

              I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

              Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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              wrote last edited by
              #12

              @nap

              it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

              where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

              fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

              that's my point

              what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

              criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

              do you understand that?

              it's not complicated

              you are incoherent

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              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                @TenPastTwo

                i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                never mention #Chomsky again

                nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                Fuck #NoamChomsky

                And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                Chomsky is not of the left

                Not anymore at least

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                #13

                @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                  @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                  #14

                  @TenPastTwo

                  unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                  when it happens we sever all ties

                  #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                  we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                  that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                  what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                  the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

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                  Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                  The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

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                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                    @TenPastTwo

                    unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                    when it happens we sever all ties

                    #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                    we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                    that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                    what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                    the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

                    Link Preview Image
                    Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                    The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

                    favicon

                    (www.bbc.com)

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                    #15

                    @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                      Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                      Toxic idealism

                      Spineless capitulation

                      Mindless cynicism

                      "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                      And lazy entitlement

                      Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                      Make MAGA the target of your venom

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                      #16

                      @benroyce

                      The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                      • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                        @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                        #17

                        @TenPastTwo

                        #tankies are mindless contrarians

                        "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                        the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                        supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                        so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                        #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                        • xs4me2X xs4me2

                          @benroyce

                          The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                          #18

                          @xs4me2

                          stand together

                          the left needs to get its fucking act together

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                          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                            @TenPastTwo

                            #tankies are mindless contrarians

                            "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                            the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                            supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                            so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                            #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                            #19

                            @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                            • IanMoore3000I IanMoore3000

                              @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                              #20

                              @IanMoore3000 @TenPastTwo

                              I think pedophile apologist is the most apt label now

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                              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                @nap

                                it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

                                where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

                                fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

                                that's my point

                                what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

                                criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

                                do you understand that?

                                it's not complicated

                                you are incoherent

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                                Alex
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                                @benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.

                                You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."

                                Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?

                                This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.

                                Touch grass and open a book.

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                                • N Alex

                                  @benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.

                                  You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."

                                  Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?

                                  This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.

                                  Touch grass and open a book.

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                                  #22

                                  @nap

                                  Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

                                  We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

                                  Divided in infighting

                                  Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

                                  *you* are the problem

                                  If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

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                                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                    @nap

                                    Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

                                    We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

                                    Divided in infighting

                                    Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

                                    *you* are the problem

                                    If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

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                                    @benroyce

                                    Keyboard warriors like you are the problem, and I think the reason you have so much vitriol for me is because you know that. Anytime you see someone with principle or conviction, it shames you because you have none. When you watch people do brave things, it shames you because you are a coward. You have never done anything besides post, you will never do anything besides post, and you are incapable of organizing anyone to power because you are so contemptible.

                                    It does not have to be this way, but you are far too narcissistic to allow the thought that you might be wrongheaded to cross your mind.

                                    It is lucky that, when people like me eventually prevail over the myopic avarice of liberalism, that people like you will just go along with us, because we will become your team.

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                                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                      @nap

                                      Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

                                      We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

                                      Divided in infighting

                                      Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

                                      *you* are the problem

                                      If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

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                                      @nap

                                      Alex the keyboard warrior complaining about keyboard warriors

                                      and then the instablock, speaking of cowardice

                                      but not before some oddly specific insults about feelings of impotency. i say oddly specific because the emotionally immature always reveal their own internal struggles in the shaping of their insult tracks

                                      people like Alex are what is wrong with the USA, as much as MAGA

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                                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                        Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                                        Toxic idealism

                                        Spineless capitulation

                                        Mindless cynicism

                                        "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                                        And lazy entitlement

                                        Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                                        Make MAGA the target of your venom

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                                        @benroyce The Red Skull, the leader of Hydra, said to Captain America,

                                        "Arrogance may not be a uniquely American trait, but I must say, you do it better than anyone."

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                                        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                          @TenPastTwo

                                          i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                                          never mention #Chomsky again

                                          nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                                          Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                                          he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                                          Fuck #NoamChomsky

                                          And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                                          A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                                          Chomsky is not of the left

                                          Not anymore at least

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                                          @benroyce

                                          Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.

                                          See what non-human victims go through
                                          VVV
                                          https://nationearth.com

                                          #Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity

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