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  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

    Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

    Toxic idealism

    Spineless capitulation

    Mindless cynicism

    "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

    And lazy entitlement

    Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

    Make MAGA the target of your venom

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    davoyager
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    @benroyce
    2 of 2

    The lack of focus on the left which you rightly note is actually feature of a population far more engaged with the realities of the 21th century. The singlemindedness on the right demonstrates their blindness to anything but their mindless hate for the left.

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    • D davoyager

      @benroyce
      1 of 2
      What does that even mean?
      Toxic Idealism. You are just taking an ugly word, toxic, and put it in front of a beautiful word, Idealism. There is no such thing.

      Spineless capitulation exists across the political spectrum.

      Mindless cynicism is far more emblematic of the right

      The rest is mostly true except the graphic should have far more blue hands to represent how the left vastly outnumbers the right.

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      Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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      #4

      @davoyager

      Toxic idealism is when there is a better choice but it is scorned or attacked because it is not ideal

      There is only better or worse in this world. There will never be any other choice. Forever

      So people who do not choose better because they are walled off into inaction by their foolish toxic idealism are only aiding fascism

      This sort of inept idiocy is a very real phenomenon unfortunately

      Perfect is not the enemy of good

      But plenty of morons insist it must be

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        @benroyce
        2 of 2

        The lack of focus on the left which you rightly note is actually feature of a population far more engaged with the realities of the 21th century. The singlemindedness on the right demonstrates their blindness to anything but their mindless hate for the left.

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        @davoyager

        The problem is that the right's singlemindedness means they vote. While the left's lack of focus means they can't be bothered to show up

        So fascism marches forward

        There won't be a rest of a 21st century unless the left shows the fuck up and votes

        There won't be a left anymore at all if they are all machine gunned

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        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

          Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

          Toxic idealism

          Spineless capitulation

          Mindless cynicism

          "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

          And lazy entitlement

          Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

          Make MAGA the target of your venom

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          Alex
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          #6

          @benroyce

          Dude, half your posts are attacking the left. Maybe read this post back to yourself and make MAGA the target of your venom

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          • N Alex

            @benroyce

            Dude, half your posts are attacking the left. Maybe read this post back to yourself and make MAGA the target of your venom

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            Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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            #7

            @nap

            this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

            so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

            πŸ˜†

            if you're confused, please try to make sense

            if you're trolling, try harder next time

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            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

              Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

              Toxic idealism

              Spineless capitulation

              Mindless cynicism

              "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

              And lazy entitlement

              Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

              Make MAGA the target of your venom

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              Mim1956πŸŸ₯πŸ€πŸŒΉ πŸ‰πŸ‹
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              #8

              @benroyce dit geldt ook voor NL, rechts wijst naar Links voor alle problemen en linkse partijen wijzen naar elkaar of zelfs intern, zijn geen eenheid #GL-@PvdA

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              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                Toxic idealism

                Spineless capitulation

                Mindless cynicism

                "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                And lazy entitlement

                Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                Make MAGA the target of your venom

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                @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

                Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                  @nap

                  this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

                  so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

                  πŸ˜†

                  if you're confused, please try to make sense

                  if you're trolling, try harder next time

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                  Alex
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                  #10

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

                  @benroyce

                  Oh, so this was attacking:
                  https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

                  And this was criticism:
                  https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

                  I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

                  Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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                  • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                    @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

                    Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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                    @TenPastTwo

                    i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                    never mention #Chomsky again

                    nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                    Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                    he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                    Fuck #NoamChomsky

                    And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                    A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                    Chomsky is not of the left

                    Not anymore at least

                    TenPastTwoT πŸŒ±πŸ΄β€πŸ…°οΈπŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈπŸ§πŸ“Ž AmbiyelpA 2 Replies Last reply
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                    • N Alex

                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

                      @benroyce

                      Oh, so this was attacking:
                      https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

                      And this was criticism:
                      https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

                      I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

                      Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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                      @nap

                      it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

                      where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

                      fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

                      that's my point

                      what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

                      criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

                      do you understand that?

                      it's not complicated

                      you are incoherent

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                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                        @TenPastTwo

                        i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                        never mention #Chomsky again

                        nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                        Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                        he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                        Fuck #NoamChomsky

                        And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                        A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                        Chomsky is not of the left

                        Not anymore at least

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                        @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                        • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                          @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                          @TenPastTwo

                          unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                          when it happens we sever all ties

                          #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                          we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                          that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                          what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                          the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

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                          Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                          The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

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                          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                            @TenPastTwo

                            unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                            when it happens we sever all ties

                            #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                            we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                            that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                            what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                            the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

                            Link Preview Image
                            Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                            The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

                            favicon

                            (www.bbc.com)

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                            @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                              Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                              Toxic idealism

                              Spineless capitulation

                              Mindless cynicism

                              "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                              And lazy entitlement

                              Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                              Make MAGA the target of your venom

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                              @benroyce

                              The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                              • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                                @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                                @TenPastTwo

                                #tankies are mindless contrarians

                                "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                                the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                                supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                                so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                                #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                                  @benroyce

                                  The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                                  @xs4me2

                                  stand together

                                  the left needs to get its fucking act together

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                                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                    @TenPastTwo

                                    #tankies are mindless contrarians

                                    "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                                    the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                                    supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                                    so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                                    #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                                    @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                                    • IanMoore3000I IanMoore3000

                                      @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                                      @IanMoore3000 @TenPastTwo

                                      I think pedophile apologist is the most apt label now

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                                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                        @nap

                                        it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

                                        where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

                                        fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

                                        that's my point

                                        what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

                                        criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

                                        do you understand that?

                                        it's not complicated

                                        you are incoherent

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                                        @benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.

                                        You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."

                                        Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?

                                        This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.

                                        Touch grass and open a book.

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                                          @benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.

                                          You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."

                                          Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?

                                          This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.

                                          Touch grass and open a book.

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                                          @nap

                                          Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

                                          We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

                                          Divided in infighting

                                          Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

                                          *you* are the problem

                                          If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

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