I keep having this conversation with straight white men that they are somehow perplexed by:

[kekunplazas@mamot.fr]

@danirabbit I hate red-browns. And liberals (in the European meaning of the word).

[kekunplazas@mamot.fr]

@danirabbit So their program is Diet Fascism?

[joshg@mathstodon.xyz]

@danirabbit
in theory: if choices are "lose a little" or "lose a lot", it could be rational to vote for "lose a little"

in reality land: FFS, everybody hates Trump right now, why the fuck would you actually think any concessions to their bullshit are actually necessary to win, just get out there and prove you're not an asshole

[spacecheesewizard@yiff.life]

@danirabbit Meanwhile Mamdani in New York is simply doing things at a faster rate I don't think I have ever seen in this country in my lifetime. It's actually bonkers.

[seindal@mastodon.uno]

@KekunPlazas @danirabbit

Fascism has always been Corporatism, to the point that even Mussolini said so.

Fascism is the unfettered rule of big business.

Big business has been funding both parties for ages.

[weykent@pawb.fun]

@joshg @danirabbit it's as much of a slam dunk (and similarly i'm surprised hasn't come up as much) as "our product uses no AI at all, anywhere, at any point in development or deployment. we hate AI and want it gone too."

[curiously@mastodon.au]

@danirabbit wow, sounds like you're talking with ignorant men. That's just embarassing.
Must be frustrating AF, to the point for concerning if that's the majority. I mean what's complex about people are people, treat them like people?
Feels like mainstream US culture is experimenting with a modern dark ages.
Hope aware people mobilise to vote for everyone's sake.

[zbrown@floss.social]

@seindal @KekunPlazas @danirabbit when Mussolini said corporatism he meant Corporatism not Corporatocracy.

That the US has decided to use corporatism to mean something different to the rest of the world is unfortunately confusing, but they *are* different.

[ariarhythmic@ohai.social]

@danirabbit How does losing your rights result in beating Trump? I don't see the logic

[slotos@toot.community]

@danirabbit Ah, it’s Mexico paying for the wall all over again.

They aren’t against Trump, they are against him taking position they see themselves in.

[david_chisnall@infosec.exchange]

@danirabbit

But 'we will do the bad things, but slightly more slowly than the other team' has been a winning electoral strategy for decades!

This is what happens when people look at Duverger's law and don't go 'well Duverger clearly had zero understanding of game theory or psychology, and look, here are a load of counterexamples from the 20th century' and instead go 'yup, that's exactly how politics works in FPTP systems'.

[galley@mastodon.online]

@danirabbit Probably the same dudes telling Ukraine they’re going to have to give up territory.

[sstendahl@floss.social]

@danirabbit I see the same phenomenon in Europe. Where self-described Social Democrats govern as full neoliberals, because they wouldn't win elections with social-democratic policies. (Not even talking actual full-on leftists)

Like if you can't govern with your own politics, what's even the point? Governing is a method to enact certain policy, not the end-goal by itself. If you're just going to enact someone else's agenda, you simply have no right of existence.

[sstendahl@floss.social]

@danirabbit Honestly, I'm getting so incredibly tired of politicians cheering loudly when the opposition scores a goal under the pretense that it would have been even worse if it weren't for them.

[compy386@hachyderm.io]

@danirabbit always seems to be "your" rights that need to be conceded. Never "my" rights. Just one of those funny things I guess

[danirabbit@mastodon.online]

@SpaceCheeseWizard I saw a post that was like, every day Zohran wakes up and makes a new post that says, “hey guys I turned off the orphan crushing machine. Turns out there was just a switch for it”

[elexia@catcatnya.com]

@KekunPlazas @danirabbit always has been

[cruiser@expressional.social]

@danirabbit If any more elections happen, choice could be DumpfJunior versus IdiotVance ... now, choose the lesser evil.... the liberalistic capitalism is what enables Fascism #changeMyMind

[spacecheesewizard@yiff.life]

@danirabbit exactly!

[feld@friedcheese.us]

@danirabbit you should stop having conversations with straight white men