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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

    @pikesley

    Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

    QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
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    Quincy
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    #18

    @FediThing @pikesley

    Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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      David
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      #19

      @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

      But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
      https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

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        Cesare Pautasso
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        @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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        • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

          @pikesley

          Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

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          Agarwaën
          wrote last edited by
          #21

          @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

            CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
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            Cryptopope
            wrote last edited by
            #22

            Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

              Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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              badambassador
              wrote last edited by
              #23

              @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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              • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

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                Neo Ehproque
                wrote last edited by
                #24

                @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

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                  wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
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                  #25

                  @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                  • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                    @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

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                    @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                      Kingu
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                      #27

                      @pikesley

                      I don't think it is "eventually"

                      It's right now!

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                      • KinguK Kingu

                        @pikesley

                        I don't think it is "eventually"

                        It's right now!

                        Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Hypolite Petovan
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                        #28

                        @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                        She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                        • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                          @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                          She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                          Kingu
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                          @hypolite @pikesley

                          With LLM, it's true 🙂

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