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Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

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  • Tor Iver WilhelmsenT Tor Iver Wilhelmsen

    @stux Or as Donald Trump said about the Canada-US border back when he wanted to annex it: «random lines on a map»

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    @toriver Away with the lines! No more US or Canada and while we're at it, also dump Trump since no no

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    • G 🇮🇹R G 🇮🇹

      @stux with everyone free to go anywhere on this planet there would be total anarchy. If you have issues with the concept of country or border you would have issues also with the law that regulate the society enclosed inside those borders.

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      @ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?

      Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.

      @stux #PostNationalism

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      • GrymtG Grymt
        @stux @elduvelle The opposite. If the mighty can't lock out people, their might shrinks a lot, and it will be easier to set rights in stone, despite what the mighty want.
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        @grymt @stux
        I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
        Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?

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        • Peter BrettK Peter Brett

          @ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?

          Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.

          @stux #PostNationalism

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          @krans @stux because for thousands of years there was no social welfare

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          • El DuvelleE El Duvelle

            @grymt @stux
            I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
            Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?

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            @elduvelle @grymt Hm.. all these replies are very interesting tough!

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            • G 🇮🇹R G 🇮🇹

              @krans @stux because for thousands of years there was no social welfare

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              @ranx @krans But wasn't there even more anarachy?

              Nowadays we "keep each other in check" with modern media to record etc

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              • stux⚡S stux⚡

                Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                @stux

                Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.

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                • Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”B Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”

                  @stux

                  Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                  This was exactly the feeling of the Mongols in the 12th and 13th C, perhaps you can use their resulting approach as a model going forward.

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                  @BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across

                  We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess

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                  • stux⚡S stux⚡

                    @BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across

                    We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess

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                    @stux

                    Too soon to tell.

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                    • stux⚡S stux⚡

                      Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                      Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                      Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                      Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                      @stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...

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                      • Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”B Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”

                        @stux

                        Too soon to tell.

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                        @BradRubenstein Tihi

                        Hmm.. otherwise it won't be any different from all those before in history

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                        • stux⚡S stux⚡

                          Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                          Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                          Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                          Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                          @stux this is what many indigenous peoples always found difficult to believe, that, just by claiming a place where you happen to be, you reduce the rights of anyone who steps there in future.

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                          • Ivan CarapovicC Ivan Carapovic

                            @stux A country is just a garden around your house, but bigger. You probably wouldn't wanna let bad people enter and stay in your garden just like that...

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                            @Chapz What is "bad people"?

                            Soneone who's trying to flee war and looking for a better home or?

                            The line is very thin

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                            • stux⚡S stux⚡

                              Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                              Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                              Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                              Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                              @stux countries are like Pokemon. They are all fantasy, and someone will always tell you theirs is better lacking any proof. Now add religion and money, and we got the holy Trinity of bullshit covered 😅

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                              • Daniel S. ReichenbachD Daniel S. Reichenbach

                                @stux countries are like Pokemon. They are all fantasy, and someone will always tell you theirs is better lacking any proof. Now add religion and money, and we got the holy Trinity of bullshit covered 😅

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                                @danielsreichenbach 😆 and some people really wanna catch 'em all unfort

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                                • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                  Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                                  Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                                  Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                                  Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                                  @stux Immigration is a human right.

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                                  • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                    Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"

                                    Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..

                                    Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet

                                    Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me

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                                    I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time

                                    As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision

                                    At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know

                                    It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out

                                    Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever

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                                    • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                      I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time

                                      As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision

                                      At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know

                                      It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out

                                      Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever

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                                      @stux This is why I adore you, stux

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                                      • LaffyG Laffy

                                        @stux This is why I adore you, stux

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                                        @GottaLaff You're too sweet! ❤️

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                                        • stux⚡S stux⚡

                                          @GottaLaff You're too sweet! ❤️

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                                          @stux ❤️

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