shouldn’t be using distro specific installers.

We have Flatpak and AppImage, and space isn’t as expensive as it once was. The problem I have is the sandboxing and isolation can make plugins problematic.

I mean, obviously I’m not advocating that you install pipewire or pipewire plugins as appimages.

I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue.

why? other than not being a “main branch” os I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, it seems quite white glove.

It’s atomic and fedora, which are also the same issues with silverblue and kinoite.

I am super thankful for flatpaks. I do wish I understood things a little better in flat seal though. can do some basics but I don’t know or understand what 95% of the flat seal options are for a given piece of software or why some of the fixes I’ve put in from when I’m googling a problem actually work.

I know I’m supposed to go that way, but I went the other . I’ve been using micro and it has been awesome working with my mouse when I want. What is more basic than Fisher Price? A teething set of plastic keys?

Try using the on screen keyboard with Firefox. On so many extensions the keyboard just doesn’t work (concrete example: tampermonkey code editor). And it’s not like it doesn’t work at all - you can insert new characters but backspace and new line is broken.

Now try OSK on Windows - never had a single issue that it doesn’t work where a real keyboard would have worked.

Or KDE’s built-in Flatpak permissions settings. But yeah I guess, it’s mostly needed for applications that haven’t adopted to the new Portal API’s yet which is the better solution, but this works for now until applications have updated.

Edited some files and had trouble login in, had to go live iso and edit them back.

Linux was at that point two decades ago. The dogmatic infighting between Linux developers users is ultimately what prevents Linux from being actually useful as a desktop OS.

It’s funny, i use both. Work is Windows, Linux at home.

90% of troubles literally come down to what you are used to and expect. I have had hundreds of problems assisting with company IT that I never would have had on Linux. People just ignore it or write it off as “expected”, but when something they doesn’t work on linux, they go crazy and say that Linux just doesn’t work. Windows has just as many basic functionality things that don’t work, if not more.

Linux isn’t perfect, but work is being done to fix it, where in windows, the support tells you to fuck off, try the only 2 GUI tools they have, then enter random command line commands and if that doesn’t fix it, fuck off.

Examples:

• Searching in the start menu literally won’t return the program if the program doesn’t start with what you are searching instead of simply “contains” like every other search on earth

• File search in fundamentally garbage on windows compared to Linux (both GUI). Not to mention that until last year there was no option to find where the fuck the file was in windows without ending the search and having to start the search over (hell on network shares). Luckily it has gotten better

• One drive forcing itself as default, sync problems, losing files, etc… That often has to be fixed through powershell. Not to mention lying to you that files are synced when they are not.

• Teams silently installing a random DLL that causes teams to bootloop endlessly, no resources online about it until last year late where you had to manually console command your way out of it via powershell

• Microphone completely just not working at all. No possible way to re-enable it via settings, control panel, manual controls, registry, etc… It wasn’t broken. Microsoft secretly disabled it in the background and you had to install the old version of the audio troubleshooter because their new one is AI slop and it would say “oh it was disabled, I will re-enable it” when literally every single other tool in windows said it was enabled and working fine. This was a problem with >10% of people. Again, the GUI wouldn’t fix it until you downloaded a sketchy old version of a troubleshooter.

• installing windows without internet working. They are making it almost impossible, actively. Literally the single most basic thing

• Microsoft office being layered on top of each other all in one gigantic pile because one font was installed from a path that it didn’t like this brought PowerPoint in my old company to a halt for days

• Font blurring when moving windows between monitors (especially PDFs). Linux doesn’t have this problem that I have seen. Windows fonts look like smeared shit after dragging them from screens of different sizes

• If one single file has an issue in one single office project e.g. a warning dialog open or a frozen excel window, all office programs are no longer able to be closed, and often even interacted with. That is like the basic of the basic of having multiple program instances open. I have seen unorganized people with 10 excel instances open literally have to restart their computer because no office windows will respond enough to even find the problem instance

• Update hangs and failures are a daily occurance in windows. I haven’t had an update fail for years in Linux and when it did, it said “this is why” where windows just says “try again” and keeps failing. Basic basic functionality.

• pathing are the worst thing ever in windows. You have import library after library to get windows paths to work in different codebases where in Linux it just works.

• windows and printers… You know how everyone has problems with printers? Yeah, a lot of that is from windows shit printer drivers. With Linux, I haven’t had a print job fail in years. In windows, sometimes it will serially send a PDF to the printer, corrupt itself, and balloon the 10MB PDF size to 10GB and overload the printer until you have to hard reset it.

• windows constantly resets your printer settings in word, even after you manually set printer settings in the OS. How many times people have printed double sided because auto-switches back after you change it. That is so basic.

• SVChost or “system interrupts” eating 60-90% CPU for minuten on end where there are no programs running, making everything work extremely slowly and lag all over the place with no way to fix it.

• not going to sleep. Windows sleep is so damn broken ever since they fucked with sleep levels. My new work laptop will literally sleep and turn itself off after a few hours (only if it is plugged in) so I have to unplug it before leaving. My old one with the exact same power settings works fine. Not to mention with modern sleep, laptops will just turn themselves on in a backpack and overheat and dump their battery to 0 for no reason. Windows had sleep right in 7 and then decided to completely break it all and increase power consumption 100x for 1s faster wakeup times… In Linux. If you tell it to go to sleep, it goes to sleep and doesn’t wake up until you wake it up.

I could go on for an hour, literally.

These are very basic functionality that is critically broken or hot garbage and just works on Linux. Again, there are tons of things wrong in Linux too like other users have mentioned, it comes down to the problems the individual user is used to having and living with.

People are learning to deal with a different set of broken things and problems while not seeing the previous problems they had to deal with invisibly just work (because that is how the human brain works).

Gotta admit a lol for that comment.

Yeah didn’t have problems with it as a desktop.

Why do you prefer them to flatpaks? Genuinely curious. I’ve only used appimages once or twice.

Bold to assume that anyone is reading more than the title haha

Lots of duplicated effort happens across the system. Nowadays we have more desktop environments than ever, while the application side still has major gaps.

You mean like we did with MSDOS?

(Quietly leaves the room)

What in the fake news is this source ??

[Insert XKCD about adding a standard that will replace all the other standards]

Well put. So if you understand the whole situation like that, it seems that I want to forbid those indie devs producing their own distro. Which is not at all what I want.

I think it would be better, if most of the indie devs would join a bigger movement like debian, kde (or one of the many more), which try to produce solid bases or a distro for the masses, instead of making their own niche product which is only supported for how long they are interested in it.

That is what freedom is about. Anyone can choose to walk their own path to hell as they see fit. Otherwise you just end up with Windows all over again.