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Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

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  • Steve DowneyS Steve Downey

    @cstross But simultaneously the debt market is selling off bonds from SaaS companies on the panic that AI will replace them.

    Two crashes on opposite sides of the same bet.

    yay

    Dan SugalskiW This user is from outside of this forum
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    Dan Sugalski
    wrote last edited by
    #14

    @Sdowney @cstross Every time anyone talks about the invisible hand of the market, or the wisdom of the markets, I just... point them at what the actual market does and laugh.

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

      Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

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      Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

      Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

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      CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

      Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

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      With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

      Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

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      … Is the AI bubble over?

      Jim JonesG This user is from outside of this forum
      Jim JonesG This user is from outside of this forum
      Jim Jones
      wrote last edited by
      #15

      @cstross Oof. That Microsoft dip is not pretty.

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      • Steve DowneyS Steve Downey

        @cstross But simultaneously the debt market is selling off bonds from SaaS companies on the panic that AI will replace them.

        Two crashes on opposite sides of the same bet.

        yay

        John GriffithsJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #16

        @Sdowney @cstross both sides can be insanely overvalued at the same time!

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        • Jim JonesG Jim Jones

          @cstross Oof. That Microsoft dip is not pretty.

          Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
          Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
          Charlie Stross
          wrote last edited by
          #17

          @GreatBigTable Palantir are down a similar amount!

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @GreatBigTable Palantir are down a similar amount!

            Jim JonesG This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote last edited by
            #18

            @cstross You hate to see it. Really.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

              Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

              Link Preview Image
              Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

              Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

              favicon

              CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

              Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

              Link Preview Image
              With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

              Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

              favicon

              The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

              … Is the AI bubble over?

              cubeosC This user is from outside of this forum
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              cubeos
              wrote last edited by
              #19

              @cstross Microsoft Azure Income grew. by 39% year over year. It just grew 2% less than some people expected.

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                Link Preview Image
                Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                favicon

                CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                Link Preview Image
                With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

                favicon

                The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

                … Is the AI bubble over?

                Dianne HackbornH This user is from outside of this forum
                Dianne HackbornH This user is from outside of this forum
                Dianne Hackborn
                wrote last edited by
                #20

                @cstross

                "The longtime chief also criticized a lack of discipline in OpenAI’s business strategy"

                Meaning they wouldn't be spending enough of that money on Nvidia's GPUs?

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                • John GriffithsJ John Griffiths

                  @Sdowney @cstross both sides can be insanely overvalued at the same time!

                  cliffordheathC This user is from outside of this forum
                  cliffordheathC This user is from outside of this forum
                  cliffordheath
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                  @johnboy @Sdowney @cstross It's almost like both sides provide things that won't be needed when everyone is suddenly reduced to subsistence farming

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                    Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                    Link Preview Image
                    Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                    Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                    favicon

                    CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                    Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                    Link Preview Image
                    With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                    Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

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                    The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

                    … Is the AI bubble over?

                    S. LottS This user is from outside of this forum
                    S. LottS This user is from outside of this forum
                    S. Lott
                    wrote last edited by
                    #22

                    @cstross What’s A16Z going to throw money at next? Have they started burning piles of money in worship of some other Big New Thing™? Until the A16Z rocket fuel dries up, I think we’re stuck watching this mess.

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                    • cliffordheathC cliffordheath

                      @johnboy @Sdowney @cstross It's almost like both sides provide things that won't be needed when everyone is suddenly reduced to subsistence farming

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                      #23

                      @cliffordheath @Sdowney @cstross and 7 billion people die in a year 😞

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                        Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                        Link Preview Image
                        Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                        Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                        favicon

                        CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                        Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                        Link Preview Image
                        With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                        Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

                        favicon

                        The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

                        … Is the AI bubble over?

                        JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #24

                        @cstross

                        I asked ChatGPT:
                        Bottom line:
                        Yes, in the last 48 hours there are clear signs of stress across AI-linked stocks, rising skepticism, and valuation readjustment — which feels bubble-ish. But no, there’s not yet decisive evidence that the entire AI boom is bursting. It’s more like a market correction and repricing, with risk shifting from hype toward real earnings and competition.

                        If you want, I can break this down by specific companies, sectors (chips vs. software vs. services), or what this might mean for investing or the broader economy.

                        Bubble-ish….like ChatGPT is a 45 yo guy from Brooklyn.

                        And then it requested access to my microphone.

                        Maybe the day will come when it doesn’t ask.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                          Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                          Link Preview Image
                          Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                          Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                          favicon

                          CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                          Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                          Link Preview Image
                          With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                          Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

                          favicon

                          The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

                          … Is the AI bubble over?

                          E This user is from outside of this forum
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                          the esoteric programmer
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                          @cstross nah, it's probably not over, at least not yet

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                            Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                            Link Preview Image
                            Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                            Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                            favicon

                            CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                            Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                            Link Preview Image
                            With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                            Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

                            favicon

                            The Motley Fool (www.fool.com)

                            … Is the AI bubble over?

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                            @cstross think it is just going to normalise along what it is always about... Existing advertising corps will run the bullshit generators baked into their honeypots - search, social media etc. Others who foolishly tried to incorporate it into their products without really having this reach already will scale down. Masses will by default increase the use of BS generators as it will be at the core of their tech use.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              @adamrice Exactly! How come you spotted it while all the blue chip funds didn't notice?

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                              @cstross
                              1. The classic game of chicken
                              2. Echo chamber of yes men
                              3. They have the insider knowledge when the dump will happen.

                              That's my experience from the crypto world. That's how it usually happens. They will be the ones to scream "buy the dip, the upside is still unlimited" while emptying their bags on the retail investors.

                              @adamrice

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                                Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                                Link Preview Image
                                Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                                Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

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                                CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                                Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                                Link Preview Image
                                With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                                Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

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                                … Is the AI bubble over?

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                                @cstross Jensen, are you seriously telling us you didn't think OpenAI were dodgy before today? I don't believe you, no one believes you.

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                                • Bruno NicolettiB Bruno Nicoletti

                                  @cstross @adamrice Fear of missing out on the upswing. Most investors are not driven by any rational analysis but by two instincts, greed and fear. Looks like we are in the middle of the flip from one mode to the other.

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                                  @bjn @cstross @adamrice It's a promo to drive sales yet again. I'm looking forward to the GPU and RAM flash sales. I have some nice local model things I wanna try, without data sharing across the interwebs.

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                                  • Jim JonesG Jim Jones

                                    @cstross You hate to see it. Really.

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                                    @cstross @GreatBigTable

                                    In both cases, the founders appeared in the Epstein files.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                                      Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                                      Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

                                      favicon

                                      CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                                      Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

                                      Link Preview Image
                                      With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                                      Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

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                                      … Is the AI bubble over?

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                                      @cstross

                                      I hope so. I am finally in a position to invest in stocks, but the blatant AI bubble has made me leery of doing that just now.

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        Welp, it's all kicking off this week in AI!

                                        Nvidia is going all squishy over a planned $100Bn investment in OpenAI:

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Nvidia shares are down after a report that its OpenAI investment stalled. Here's what's happening

                                        Nvidia's Jensen Huang criticized OpenAI's business strategy as the chip giant plans to invest up to $100 billion into the AI startup, per reports.

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                                        CNBC (www.cnbc.com)

                                        Microsoft Azure income shrank 2% despite huge investment by MSFT and knocked a $375Bn hole in their finances: MSFT shares down 10% in 3 days:

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                                        With Shares Down 10% After Its Earnings Call, Is Microsoft a Buy? | The Motley Fool

                                        Last week's sell-off made shares cheaper than they've been in years.

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                                        … Is the AI bubble over?

                                        starkrg@myside-yourside.netS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @cstross Not fast enough. With a bubble this distended, it needs to pop violently, maiming everyone involved with it, not just slowly deflate, giving the people who caused it time to escape to the next bubble.

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