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As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

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  • Matt CrawfordT Matt Crawford

    @T045T @rgegriff are they vibe coding updates?

    The Tattooed Nonna ๐Ÿ‘‘T This user is from outside of this forum
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    @thecrawford @T045T @rgegriff slop coding.

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    • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

      As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

      Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

      Rupert ReynoldsR This user is from outside of this forum
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      Rupert Reynolds
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      #32

      @rgegriff Power corrupts. MS acts as though it owns our hardware and data, and has the right to open a tap on our bank accounts, when and as often as it likes, witholding access if we don't do what we're told.

      Echoing Doctorow's words, the 1990s Internet connected us *directly* with things we wanted to access. MS, Amazon, Google, Facebook and so on try to insert themselves between us and the things we want, free of charge at first until there is a cost of leaving, then they slowly turn the thumbscrews, charging us for what we once had freely.

      We don't need them. But they are good at confusing us.

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      • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

        abbiistabbii :nya:A This user is from outside of this forum
        abbiistabbii :nya:A This user is from outside of this forum
        abbiistabbii :nya:
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        #33

        @rgegriff@masto.hackers.town Point them to Linux Mint.

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        • clewC clew

          Donโ€™t know enough to guess but Iโ€™m curious. What?

          (BeOS. An unsecured login to a FORTRAN server somewhere in Mountain Time. Your Lenovo refrigerator, overclocked. ??)

          @SoftwareTheron
          @rgegriff

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          DeterioratedStucco
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          #34

          @clew
          Ubuntu... sorry to be so boring.

          The Lenovo box would at least have the advantage of good cooling systems, I suppose.

          @rgegriff

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          • S DeterioratedStucco

            @clew
            Ubuntu... sorry to be so boring.

            The Lenovo box would at least have the advantage of good cooling systems, I suppose.

            @rgegriff

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            clew
            wrote on last edited by
            #35

            And some of them have big screens and the snacks are _right there_.

            @SoftwareTheron @rgegriff

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            • sungoS sungo

              @rgegriff If corporations were actually people, I'd have called for a mental health check on microsoft a long time ago. Something is not right up in that brain pan and they need some new meds or to break up with that abusive lover or something. Shit ain't right.

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              Offbeatmammal
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              #36

              @sungo @rgegriff Satya came in with new age buzzword bingo, focussed on abstract "engineering excellence" while missing the fundamentals (SDET roles). Weirdly the politics became more entrenched and bitter, people focussed on metrics rather than long term goals and no matter how much puck chasing goes on the SLT still think they are smarter than everyone else

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              • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                OblomovO This user is from outside of this forum
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                Oblomov
                wrote on last edited by
                #37

                @rgegriff there really is no hope. FLOSS enthusiasts have been trying to keep the common user away from Linux by being the most obnoxiously unbearable smart alecks in the computing world, and by breaking fundamental APIs and user-facing interfaces in the most nonsensical ways, and these decades of work are going to fly out of the window because Microsoft can't be arsed to make a simple boring OS anymore. There really is no winning again them.

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                • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                  As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                  Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                  Rob Cinos :verified:R This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Rob Cinos :verified:
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                  #38

                  @rgegriff It's bad. From forced AI, total recall (which takes regular screenshots of user history) and black screens of death, Microsoft screwed up this release of Win 11 beyond previous mistakes.

                  They forced everyone onto Win 11 years earlier than their usual product cycle.

                  Demanded TPM and Microsoft accounts at the beginning too.

                  But the worst is knowing that they'll sell your data to the stormtroopers.

                  That's a deal breaker for anyone, even if they're not tech oriented.

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                  • Eliza MBO This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Eliza MB
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                    #39

                    @dickon @rgegriff
                    Is he still happy?
                    Iโ€™ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

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                    • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                      As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                      Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                      bicebird :twt:B This user is from outside of this forum
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                      bicebird :twt:
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                      #40

                      @rgegriff it's wild talking to windows users who have like 00's Linux problems with WiFi not working after suspend and updates causing bootloops

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                      • Eliza MBO Eliza MB

                        @dickon @rgegriff
                        Is he still happy?
                        Iโ€™ve been a macOS user for 35 years and I am definitely no longer happy

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                        Dickon Hood
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                        #41

                        @rgegriff @OneInterestingFact Yes, mostly because his needs are Firefox and Thunderbird, and not a lot else. I, too, prefer OS X over Windows, because a browser and terminal are more or less all I want; Apple have that covered tolerably well.

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                        • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                          As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                          Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                          nshrubsN This user is from outside of this forum
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                          nshrubs
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                          #42

                          @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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                          • nshrubsN nshrubs

                            @rgegriff @Olyindivisible As an Apple user since the Apple IIe & Mac Classic SE, I would love to see if I could run Linux on my old 2012 MacBook Pro. If I could, that would probably convert me. Mac OS pretty much sucks these days. Every update makes things worse.

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                            #43

                            @Nshrubs @rgegriff @Olyindivisible I was running Linux on my non-retina 2012 MacBook Pro without a hitch. Most of the older (before T1) Intel stuff is probably no problem.

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                            • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                              As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                              Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                              Mr Lawrence ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ผL This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Mr Lawrence ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ผ
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                              @rgegriff Half of it is nervousness that #Trump effectively has a kill switch on M$ software, as the EU recently found out, which made me go looking for something European.

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                              • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                David BramianD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                David Bramian
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                                #45

                                @rgegriff How could they have known that using your own hardware to build a little digital model of you in order to control your thoughts and actions was the line?

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                                • d@nny disc@ mcยฒH d@nny disc@ mcยฒ

                                  @davidgerard @rgegriff the people responsible for my sorrow have names and email addresses

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                                  #46

                                  @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                                  Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                                  • Ludic ๐Ÿง›L Ludic ๐Ÿง›

                                    @hipsterelectron @davidgerard @rgegriff Non-engineering staff at my clients have started asking me if they can move their gaming rigs to Linux

                                    Not all of this timeline is dark, just most of it

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                                    David Gerard
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                                    #47

                                    @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                    • David GerardD David Gerard

                                      @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

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                                      @davidgerard @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff the best part about buying an AMD card was knowing i wasn't funding that annoying prick jensen huang

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                                      • rgegriff (On a new server)R rgegriff (On a new server)

                                        As a long time Linux user; do you know how bad you have to fuck up your operating system to make people WANT to use Linux?

                                        Regular people in my life keep asking me for advice and... I mean, cool. But, like, what the fuck is Microsoft doing over there?

                                        Efi (nap pet) ๐ŸฆŠ๐Ÿ’คE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Efi (nap pet) ๐ŸฆŠ๐Ÿ’ค
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                                        @rgegriff ads on the main menu

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                                        • David GerardD David Gerard

                                          @ludicity @hipsterelectron @rgegriff i still fear this cos nvidia support is still shaky, which is 100% nvidia's fault. AMD is solid and makes happy users. sigh

                                          d@nny disc@ mcยฒH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          d@nny disc@ mcยฒ
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                                          @davidgerard @ludicity @rgegriff nvidia is very effective at making drivers which break at build time or runtime and especially make it essentially impossible to track kernel master. nouveau was supposed to be an answer for this but curiously does not support displayport output on my machine. ubuntu previously had tested support for nvidia drivers and suddenly stopped doing that for unknown reasons

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