For a game called "Dungeons & Dragons" there is a shocking lack of both dungeons and dragons
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
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I recommend Kingmaker, then. There is a lot of exploring of new paths and a bit of king making.
I’ve been listening to the Narrative Declaration playthrough of Kingmaker, and they don’t seem to be anywhere near making anyone a king! They seem to have some sort of council-based thaumocracy going, instead!
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Like you said, it’s been around for a while, so most of the actual dungeons have been picked clean and all we’ve really been left with over the last 30-40 years barely fit the legal definition!
All the good dungeon real estate got bought up by early adventurers with their collected loot, so now they are located in gated communities or expensive adventuring resorts. Everyone else gets the roadside discount dungeon experience with plastic monster chotchkes for loot drops and pugs and chihuahuas dressed up in skeleton and dragon costumes.
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As someone who has played alot of Call of Cthulhu there is a distinct lack of Cthulhu. But I am presently playing Traveler and let me tell you something - there is A LOT of traveling.
Best part of Traveller is character creation.
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
Dragons are pretty high level-threats in D&D, which most players rarely get to fight because most campaigns don’t last that long. Which does make it a bit weird to name the entire franchise after such a rare enemy.
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
Not with that attitude.
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
We asked our DM to avoid using flying enemies after a dragon tpk’d us by breath weaponing and retreating for 30 rounds. Give me a tarasque before you even consider offering me a competent dragon
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DM: “The phone rings.”
Player: “I pick it up.”
Cthulhu: “Wasaaaaaaaaaaaaap!”
Player: *Cries blood*
Player: *Cries blood*
Awh, didn’t know they were missing Cthulhu that much!
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DM: “The phone rings.”
Player: “I pick it up.”
Cthulhu: “Wasaaaaaaaaaaaaap!”
Player: *Cries blood*
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Dragons are pretty high level-threats in D&D, which most players rarely get to fight because most campaigns don’t last that long. Which does make it a bit weird to name the entire franchise after such a rare enemy.
On top of that old dragons in disguise meddling with human society make good NPCs… which the players will not find out until much later.
So even when they meet Dragons -even ones not antagonistic- early on they will rarely realize it…
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DM: “The phone rings.”
Player: “I pick it up.”
Cthulhu: “Wasaaaaaaaaaaaaap!”
Player: *Cries blood*
Cthulhu: “Wasaaaaaaaaaaaaap!”
Definitely one of the Great Old Ones.
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Best part of Traveller is character creation.
Not always the best, but often a lot of fun
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
Blame it on two year old Cindy Gygax who picked the name out of a few choices.
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We asked our DM to avoid using flying enemies after a dragon tpk’d us by breath weaponing and retreating for 30 rounds. Give me a tarasque before you even consider offering me a competent dragon
This implies the existence of incompetent dragons and I really want my DM to have us fight one
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This sounds an awful lot like a story Gary made up to cover for his mistake /s
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Dragons are pretty high level-threats in D&D, which most players rarely get to fight because most campaigns don’t last that long. Which does make it a bit weird to name the entire franchise after such a rare enemy.
There’s pseudodragons and whelps that can easily be low level encounters. I threw a green dragon and a bunch of flying kobolds at my level 3 party and they easily won the fight.
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Supposedly some sources in the past claimed his wife made the pick, but wiki says it was his daughter. Given how many variants I’ve seen over the years to avoid a copyright, it seems a good choice. Even became well known for the name by people who didn’t understand it, like Jack Chick tract readers.
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As someone who has played alot of Call of Cthulhu there is a distinct lack of Cthulhu. But I am presently playing Traveler and let me tell you something - there is A LOT of traveling.
Did anyone die in character creation?
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This implies the existence of incompetent dragons and I really want my DM to have us fight one
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I’ve played a lot of D&D over the years. Hundreds of hours.
But these so-called “dungeons”? No captives. Not even any cells. That’s not a dungeon. that’s a glorified cave.
And don’t even get me started on the dragons. Dragonborn? Sure, I’ve seen plenty. Heard my fair share of Draconic. And wyverns are fairly common I suppose but that’s like pointing at all the dogs in the world and saying “we’re infested with wolves!”
I’m beginning to feel like I’ve been lied to all this time.
You made me realize Balder’s Gate 3 does in fact contain ample dungeons and even multiple dragons.
