Discord keeps walking into rakes, but TeamSpeak is thriving after 'incredible surge of new users'
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VENT or nothing!
I said that the other day and I got back “noone is going to use that windows XP lookin shit.”
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Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Yes, those are certainly a convenience that would be nice to have.
I just don’t think they’re “Be subjected to Discord” nice anymore.
I’ll take on the burden of launching two executables and clicking two different windows in order to not be subjected to the endless monetization and privacy violations.
Not everyone agrees, that that’s fine too. Using Discord (or Signal if your group is small and care more about privacy than open source) isn’t wrong, but some people see the downsides as outweighing the benefits.
“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
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“not everyone agrees” explains the nail in the coffin for 99% of groups.
You need a 100% investment from the group or it’s a hard stop.
Your average online group or gamer give zero fucks as long as it works.
For online gaming, that means voice, messaging, and forums in ONE click. You might get away without video.
For gaming, the current steps are …
1 download discord (99% skip because they already have)
2 paste this link into discord (which they already know how to do)
DONE
You proposal? Just list them out for me for your non tech user… Download 3 different programs? Including separate sign on? learn three different programs.
AND NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR YOUR GROUP.
Play 6 games, sorry each game has their own set of programs and logins and learning. And remembering which program you need to use for each.
If you think that’s a workable “solution” to replacing discord, which is currently used for 95% of online gaming in a one stop shop…
Your a fucking delusional idiot. And that’s being nice you.
The topic of the thread is about users migrating away from Discord due to privacy concerns over their ID requirements. If this doesn’t apply to you, what is your purpose commenting? To tell us all that the thing in the OP isn’t actually happening?
Your position is that:
- this can’t happen,
- people can’t leave discord because people are on discord,
- it’s impossible to learn 3 applications,
Therefore nobody would replace Discord with Teamspeak and also use some other chat program (that’s 2 programs! which is nearly as impossible as learning 3 programs!).
You’re posting this opinion in a thread about users migrating to TeamSpeak and calling me the idiot?
That’s certainly an opinion.
Your a fucking delusional idiot.
‘Your’ is the possessive form of you.
You’re is the word you’re looking for, as it is a contraction of ‘you are’ as in ‘you are an idiot’.
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why go from one corporate property to another when enshitification is the problem and libre options are available??
tomorrow’s headline: “Teamspeak CEO excited to be working with Discord”
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I think Iambalicious may be confusing terms. AFAIK no XMPP client has discord-like rooms within channels. The Movim client is actively working on implementing that feature (it can also do group video calls and screen sharing), but it’s the only one doing that unless I’m mistaken.
Oh you mean nested rooms? That’s just normal rooms with a different organization. I think there is one XMPP proposal for them but I don’t know of any server that implements it (they are unneeded since you can just create temporary chatrooms, same as in IRC) and then you need client support, of which apparently only Movim and Dino are working on it yeah.
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Can it do drop in/drop out VoIP rooms like mumble?
Not yet, unfortunately. It can currently do a group conference audio/video call, but there are no rooms where you can see who’s in the call and just hop in. That is a planned feature in the future, though. Probably after Discord-like rooms are implemented (which won a recent feature poll).
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Oh you mean nested rooms? That’s just normal rooms with a different organization. I think there is one XMPP proposal for them but I don’t know of any server that implements it (they are unneeded since you can just create temporary chatrooms, same as in IRC) and then you need client support, of which apparently only Movim and Dino are working on it yeah.
There’s a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community’s rooms (they don’t have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).
The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don’t need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.
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We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out. Going to have to test a lot. Stoat is promising since it has a familiar UI, but we have a large amount of mobile-only friends.
Not even looking at the non-free stuff. This is the shove we needed to finally move off that type of crap.
Forgot about XMPP until reading earlier comments. Will have to put that on the list.
XMPP is an insecure mess, even if you try to bolt on the weird encryption layer
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There’s a bit more to it than just their visual organization. In Discord, a user only needs to join a single community to access all of that community’s rooms (they don’t have to manually join each one to have it in their feed).
The admins of that community can then seamlessly create or delete rooms within that community (the users don’t need to do anything for those changes to be seen and applied on their end), and can independently adjust what the base requirements are to view, enter, or interact with each room, and then give an individual granular permissions of what rooms are visible within that community.
Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it’s called “Server spaces” and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it’s experimental so there’s no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.
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Oh yeah that already exists in XMPP, it’s called “Server spaces” and grouping can be done by admin or by room owners, but it’s experimental so there’s no direct way to know what servers or clients are using it or not.
Interesting, glad to see it’s headed in that direction in the base-spec!
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Ventrilo has innate delay and is proprietary.
Mumble is open source and has lowest latency of all the apps.
That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone “[][][][][][][][][]” and it will go “page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket…” This is a major advantage
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The problem with decentralised alternatives to Discord isn’t just the set up time.
Me and some of my friend group are pretty technical and we’re willing to jump through all the hoops and difficulties to make our own little cluster of federated self-hosted servers.
The problems start occurring when we actually look at what these open source alternatives are actually capable of. And… Uh… It looks bad. Voice chatting and streaming and text channels on the same client are an absolute must.
Just use fluxer. It literally does all that. It’s basically feature parity with discord.
Other then waiting on them to finish up the native mobile app.
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Can we all not move to another proprietary paid service again? Good god.
Stoat has been wonderfully simple so far and is free and open source. It’s got voice chat. It’s only been about a week of using it so far so please correct me if I’m wrong or point out issues that I haven’t seen or mentioned.
It seems like the most realistic option to me since I doubt the masses wanna get into self hosting.
Just use fluxer…
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There’s also Movim, which doesn’t even require an email, you can join instantly with just a username and password.
Those are extremely negative things for a community platform. Like absurdly negative.
That just means it’s going to be attacked by endless bots, impersonation, and general user confusion.
I legitimately can not think of a single stupider thing for a community platform for normal users.
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Those are extremely negative things for a community platform. Like absurdly negative.
That just means it’s going to be attacked by endless bots, impersonation, and general user confusion.
I legitimately can not think of a single stupider thing for a community platform for normal users.
Fluxer is doing the same thing, no email signups right now on its homepage.
It’s no different from how lemmy/piefed function. Some instances require email, others don’t. My instance, as an example, doesn’t require an email to sign up, but it does require you to write a short message as to why you’re interested in joining the server, and what communities are appealing to you. This weeds out 99% of bots or spammy users, and the handful that get through that are quickly banned.
Movim currently has so few users that the main server is trying to put as few barriers as possible to adoption, other servers can and do enable the Email requirement.
If it becomes more popular and bots or spam accounts become an issue, they could easily activate the email requirement, or even implement a system similar to what I described above. Instances that don’t take appropriate measures to those threats as they become a problem can just be defederated as they are here. It’s worked out pretty well so far.
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Discord was originally a replacement for teamspeak/mumble and it’s how most people I actually know still use it. It was “nice” because you didn’t need to set up your own server. Using it as a replacement for irc came later. Image support in chats is nice, but I really only use it for the voip chat rooms.
That’s the thing, for me Discord replaced Slack. I never used the voice chat feature of Discord. I had family, friend group, interest group Slack servers to chat, all was eventually moved to Discord.
Meanwhile I still use Mumble for voice chat, Discord never replaced Mumble for me, it was a replacement for chat groups, which I previously used Slack for.
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I don’t know what they’re even doing. TeamSpeak/Mumble is not a replacement for Discord. There’s no separate text channels in addition to the voice ones. It’s just a VOIP program. If you move from Discord to one of those you’re either in addition fundamentally changing your way of thinking or you’re in for disappointment.
For one there’s no “public communities” as with Discord. Here are the biggest servers from mumist.eu:
You’re describing teamspeak 3. It’s on version 6 now and has those features.
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That may be the case, but in Ventrilo you can page someone “[][][][][][][][][]” and it will go “page from left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket left square bracket right square bracket…” This is a major advantage
True, Mumble does have text-to-speech, but no Microsoft Sam in a roflcopter that goes soisoisoisoisoisoi
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We’re setting up our own Matrix/Element CE and mulling over the non-technical folks’ fumbling trying to figure it out. Going to have to test a lot. Stoat is promising since it has a familiar UI, but we have a large amount of mobile-only friends.
Not even looking at the non-free stuff. This is the shove we needed to finally move off that type of crap.
Forgot about XMPP until reading earlier comments. Will have to put that on the list.
Matrix is actively user hostile. It’s no fun to use at all.
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