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  • P papalonian@lemmy.world

    the issue … isn’t just that it’s … horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game

    It’s funny, but it seems like I read this phrase a lot, and not just about games (book series, movies, shows, etc). I can’t think of any other good examples off the top of my head, but it seems that every time an artist takes a really cool or interesting concept and fills it with bigotry, they also fill it with poorly written mechanics, potholes, clunky dialogue…

    Sure, there’s media with language that doesn’t age well, but it seems like 9/10, when something is made with blatant hate, there isn’t even an incentive to try to push past or ignore it; the content is garbage with or without the drivel. The initial concept is just good enough to get people to want to give it a shot.

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    susaga@sh.itjust.works
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    There’s another all-time-worst game called Racial Holy War, which is exactly what you’d assume from the title. And yes, it’s incompetently made to the point where they didn’t include mechanics for ATTACKING.

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    • M markovs_gun@lemmy.world

      A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.

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      rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      #22

      Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?

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      • G godort@lemm.ee

        Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try

        My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

        And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG

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        susaga@sh.itjust.works
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        #23

        I have thought about this in embarrassing depth.

        The first reason I can think of is when sex isn’t an option. Maybe you’re in a long distance relationship or something. It gives a good structure to what is essentially phone sex.

        The second reason is as a form of foreplay. We already have sexy roleplay in the sheets to help set the mood, and now we’re just using character sheets instead of bed sheets. Then your “what would you like to do” can be followed by a demonstration.

        This is why I think sexy RPGs should be designed for couples.

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        • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?

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          papalonian@lemmy.world
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          I think you replied to the wrong response

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          • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

            There’s another all-time-worst game called Racial Holy War, which is exactly what you’d assume from the title. And yes, it’s incompetently made to the point where they didn’t include mechanics for ATTACKING.

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            rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?

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            • M markovs_gun@lemmy.world

              A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.

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              thealbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Tolkien’s “inspiration” for Dwarves pulling from Jews is fascinating, as a Jew. I read that his thoughts were that Dwarves were a strong, resilient people who had been displaced from their homeland but maintained a strong attachment to their traditions and their craft. He saw this as a deferential depiction of Jews and was purposely trying to move away from European depictions of Jews as goblin-like monsters. What’s fascinating is how it is still riddled with antisemitic tropes such as the obsession with gold and also literally making them a different race of people who lived underground. It speaks to how deeply ingrained antisemitism was (and to an extent, still is) in the European mind while also lightly espousing Zionist ideas in how living in diaspora is somehow less than living in historical Judea.

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              • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                Was this Genesis or Deuteronomy?

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                chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
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                #27

                Penisis and Neuteronomy.

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                • M markovs_gun@lemmy.world

                  A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.

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                  papalonian@lemmy.world
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                  #28

                  Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews

                  I don’t doubt this, given the era the man was born, but have you got a source? I tried digging something up, and the only things I can find are that Khuzdul is based on Hebrew, and a lot of letters during and post WWII speaking highly of Jews and poorly of Hitler and the Nazis.

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                  • sorghum@sh.itjust.worksS sorghum@sh.itjust.works

                    Yeah, the dildo in the middle of the table pushes this one over the top

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                    Ziglin (they/them)
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                    #29

                    I hadn’t seen that…

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                    • G godort@lemm.ee

                      Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try

                      My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                      And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG

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                      Lime Buzz (fae/she)
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                      Today we learned about Bliss Stage which sounds a lot better than F.A.T.A.L in some regards.

                      There’s also Thirsty Sword Lesbians which focuses a lot on consent.

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                      • paupersserenade@sh.itjust.worksP paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works

                        Tagging this as NSFW would have been appreciated. I filter those things out for a reason

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                        jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                        I agree. I normally don’t do it, but I still like to know when I’m about to get hit with some of that stuff. There are… some bad memories attached to it.

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                        • sorghum@sh.itjust.worksS sorghum@sh.itjust.works

                          Yeah, the dildo in the middle of the table pushes this one over the top

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                          prime_minister_keyes@lemm.ee
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                          Obviously, that’s a… bishop. For the big chess board in the background. It even has a suction cup so you can play vertically.

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                          • G godort@lemm.ee

                            Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try

                            My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                            And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG

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                            Norah (pup/it/she)
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                            …why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                            Someone’s clearly never been in a queer polycule.

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                            • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              Yup, sorry about that, I wasn’t sure if it qualified, but I’ll keep that in mind for future reference, apologies.

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                              vespair@lemm.ee
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                              Imo the Internet was a vastly better place when everyone practiced personal responsibility and assumed that everywhere online was inherently wild and potentially unsafe unless specifically deemed otherwise, not the other way around

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                              • G godort@lemm.ee

                                Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try

                                My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                                And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG

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                                pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                Because I have friends that are fun to flirt with but aren’t actually into me, and because I’m too fucked up with intimacy issues to fuck anyone?

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                                • V vespair@lemm.ee

                                  Imo the Internet was a vastly better place when everyone practiced personal responsibility and assumed that everywhere online was inherently wild and potentially unsafe unless specifically deemed otherwise, not the other way around

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                                  I don’t disagree, but I also do very much appreciate a verbose tagging system (tumblr, e6, etc). Makes it easier to find what you’re looking for, alongside giving people warning. <br> Although I do think it’s best to be cautious regardless.

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                                  • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                    Because I have friends that are fun to flirt with but aren’t actually into me, and because I’m too fucked up with intimacy issues to fuck anyone?

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                                    rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    #37

                                    🖐️🖐️🖐️

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                                    • Norah (pup/it/she)P Norah (pup/it/she)

                                      …why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.

                                      Someone’s clearly never been in a queer polycule.

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                                      rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      Life isn’t meant to be chaste! Forgoe your chains for whips!

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                                      • V vespair@lemm.ee

                                        Imo the Internet was a vastly better place when everyone practiced personal responsibility and assumed that everywhere online was inherently wild and potentially unsafe unless specifically deemed otherwise, not the other way around

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                                        paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works
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                                        This is a space for RPG memes, and the meme is covering a topic regarding oversexualized female characters discussing being raped by monsters with a dildo on the table. I’m not perturbed by downvotes, but I noticed them for just asking for it to be tagged as NSFW. I’ve had some rough experiences trying to play tabletop games as a woman and would ideally not have to be reminded of poor behaviour in a space that’s supposed to be lighthearted.

                                        I don’t expect everything to be made for me, that’s why I block a lot of ‘lewd’ content and a blanket NSFW block. I went through Barrens and CoD chat as a young woman so I know what you mean by ‘vastly better place’.

                                        Try and have some empathy for why someone might not want to see this content.

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                                        • rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zoneR rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                          I don’t disagree, but I also do very much appreciate a verbose tagging system (tumblr, e6, etc). Makes it easier to find what you’re looking for, alongside giving people warning. <br> Although I do think it’s best to be cautious regardless.

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                                          paupersserenade@sh.itjust.works
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                                          I responded to who you agreed with. I won’t go into it further. Just giving you a ping, and hope that you can see where I was coming from. Didn’t realise asking for a tag was such a big deal, so honestly just gonna block this community.

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