I've said again and again that I consider it to be of the utmost importance that the #Fediverse grows far beyond its present size.
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No, both they and Mastodon have to adhere to the ActivityPub standard.
@juergen_hubert @kichae i rather thought that mastodon did *not* completely honour the standard — or that the standard was ambiguous — and misskey etc generally have to follow what Mastodon does.
Don't know myself; i've heard developers say that here.
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@juergen_hubert @kichae i rather thought that mastodon did *not* completely honour the standard — or that the standard was ambiguous — and misskey etc generally have to follow what Mastodon does.
Don't know myself; i've heard developers say that here.
Fish Id Wardrobe Yeah, Mastodon kinda does what it wants, and gets away with it due to market share. It picks and chooses what it wants to implement, and struggles to play nicely with many other AP platforms.
Even just as an end user of not-Mastodon, it’s really annoying.
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Fish Id Wardrobe Yeah, Mastodon kinda does what it wants, and gets away with it due to market share. It picks and chooses what it wants to implement, and struggles to play nicely with many other AP platforms.
Even just as an end user of not-Mastodon, it’s really annoying.
@kichae thank you. so my point is, if you want to change the way the fediverse works non-trivially, you need to persuade Mastodon to change.
although to be honest i don't think the folks behind activtypub are any more open to acting on suggestions than Mastodon are. Partly that's for very practical reasons: they're both short on resources.
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@kichae thank you. so my point is, if you want to change the way the fediverse works non-trivially, you need to persuade Mastodon to change.
although to be honest i don't think the folks behind activtypub are any more open to acting on suggestions than Mastodon are. Partly that's for very practical reasons: they're both short on resources.
Fish Id Wardrobe Or, you leave Mastodon behind, and try to build a better garden that attracts people away.
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Fish Id Wardrobe Or, you leave Mastodon behind, and try to build a better garden that attracts people away.
@kichae well yes, but lots of people have tried tthat over the years, and really only Mastodon has ever suceeded. it's kind of a miracle.
Most of the other projects that managed to attract any users at all – friendica, Disapora, etc – quickly adopted some sort of interoperability with activitypub.
you can start again from scratch if you _want_, but…
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@kichae well yes, but lots of people have tried tthat over the years, and really only Mastodon has ever suceeded. it's kind of a miracle.
Most of the other projects that managed to attract any users at all – friendica, Disapora, etc – quickly adopted some sort of interoperability with activitypub.
you can start again from scratch if you _want_, but…
(a) #ActivityPub is not developed by #Mastodon.
(b) Yes, Mastodon is the single most common #Fediverse application. But many of the others aren't exactly small, either.
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@juergen_hubert
I feel like we don't have enough people.So we need to change that.
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@juergen_hubert
To be fair, it's been awhile since I've heard anyone saying we shouldn't grow the Fediverse. I think a lot of those people have had their concerns allayed or have seen the greater concern of these people controlling larger society.I will also note, to your point of societal collapse or something, that the Fediverse is far more resilient to mass internet outages because the infrastructure is so spread out and 99% of the posts are backed up on most of that infrastructure, not simply on major services like Amazon AWS, but on smaller hosting companies servers, local to countries and communities, and even people's personal home setups.
In theory, the Fediverse could survive the total destruction of the commercially owned internet. (Though, hopefully, we will never have to test that)
I do hear it from time to time.
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@juergen_hubert
I totally agree with most of what you say, but this part I have issues with:
> Do you really think that the (predominantly white and euro/na) fediverse bubble represents the only not-asshole group left on the planet
The fedi is *not* a not-asshole group. I'm willing to believe it's a less-asshole group, but the difference is important. Black people didn't stick to mastodon because of racists, racists are everywhere. Black people left because the people who had a hand in doing stuff, making tools, didn't really care about their safety and prioritized other features.
Today I'm of the opinion that open registration is nice, but with the current state a registration means total reach. Reach is based on trust, trust is earned and can't be assumed from total randos. Open registration, limited but growable reach through intentional communities is what I want to try.I think my statement works either way - the existing Fediverse user base is not as great as it could be, _and_ there are a lot of awesome people out there which we should try to recruit.
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(a) #ActivityPub is not developed by #Mastodon.
(b) Yes, Mastodon is the single most common #Fediverse application. But many of the others aren't exactly small, either.
@juergen_hubert — can you remove my name from your replies? you don't seem to be responding to what i am saying.
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@kichae well yes, but lots of people have tried tthat over the years, and really only Mastodon has ever suceeded. it's kind of a miracle.
Most of the other projects that managed to attract any users at all – friendica, Disapora, etc – quickly adopted some sort of interoperability with activitypub.
you can start again from scratch if you _want_, but…
Fish Id Wardrobe “We need to support other fediverse platforms”
“But other platforms haven’t gotten support in the past”
Why TF do you think I’m saying we need to support other platforms, then? We don’t need to convince Mastodon to change, because the Mastodon folks have made it very clear that they see the ecosystem as beholden to them, and not the other way around. They’re not good actors. We need something better, made by better people, and then we to convince people to use it over Mastodon.
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Fish Id Wardrobe “We need to support other fediverse platforms”
“But other platforms haven’t gotten support in the past”
Why TF do you think I’m saying we need to support other platforms, then? We don’t need to convince Mastodon to change, because the Mastodon folks have made it very clear that they see the ecosystem as beholden to them, and not the other way around. They’re not good actors. We need something better, made by better people, and then we to convince people to use it over Mastodon.
@kichae you didn't say _fediverse_ platforms. i thought you meant literally starting over! that makes more sense…
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Fish Id Wardrobe “We need to support other fediverse platforms”
“But other platforms haven’t gotten support in the past”
Why TF do you think I’m saying we need to support other platforms, then? We don’t need to convince Mastodon to change, because the Mastodon folks have made it very clear that they see the ecosystem as beholden to them, and not the other way around. They’re not good actors. We need something better, made by better people, and then we to convince people to use it over Mastodon.
Yeah, while Mastodon still remains my primary Fediverse platform, I am frequently experimenting with other systems and try to raise awareness about them.
The nice thing about the #Fediverse is that it _can_ change, and is not beholden to any single software - so let's make use of that!
