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Valve invents new Counter-Strike 2 loot boxes that successfully dodge anti-gambling regulations

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  • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

    You can sell them on hundreds of third-party marketplaces that let you withdraw to your bank account or crypto wallet.

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    You can do that, but you’re not allowed to do that.

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    • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

      Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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      koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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      I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 K 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

        You can do that, but you’re not allowed to do that.

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        koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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        #37

        Valve may not endorse it, but they certainly allow it. In fact, there are many skins that cannot be traded on Steam’s official marketplace, but only on third-party sites due to their high value.

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        • 0 0li0li

          Urg, AAA games suck ass more than ever. Thank christ for offline, AA and indie games!

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          alt_xa_23
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          Get ready for ‘AAAAA’ games:

          https://www.pcgamer.com/games/grand-theft-auto/god-help-us-all-gta-6-may-be-a-aaaaa-game-says-devolver-co-founder-and-thats-why-the-entire-industry-is-taking-cover-from-it-like-its-a-nuclear-blast/

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          • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

            I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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            jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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            #39

            These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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            • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

              These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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              koalaunknown@lemmy.world
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              I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

              There are skins worth millions, so definitely you can.

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              • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                psythik@lemmy.world
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                Agreed. The only time I’ll buy a skin is if it literally improves camouflage. I see no reason to buy a flashy skin that only serves to make you more visible to enemies.

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                • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                  These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                  ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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                  That’s the case with a lot of collectibles. LEGO is a great investment but you have to keep it somewhere

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                    ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                    Leave it to Valve to find the most predatory monetization possible.

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                    • L Luffy

                      You get to see what you’re paying for before you pay.

                      Yes, for the first box. The box after is not shown. So its basically just „hey, if I open this Box, it could very well be that the next box will be a legendary knife”

                      So you are just betting for what comes after that

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                      aaa@feddit.org
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                      Still the point is you don’t spend money without knowing what you get so it is better. Still predatory, but better

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                      • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                        I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

                        There are skins worth millions, so definitely you can.

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                        jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                        #45

                        …who is paying a million dollars for a skin??

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                        • apotheotic (she/her)A apotheotic (she/her)

                          This is pretty disgusting. Just make a normal skin store where people can buy the skins they want at whatever price you(valve) decide they are valued at. No fomo. No gambling.

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                          joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca
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                          Isn’t that what they did? Except to help preserve the “value” if the rare items you still have to get lucky to be allowed to buy them.

                          If they had a store where you could buy the ultra rare skins for 1000$, that would push down the “value” if the skins more quickly.

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                            Before this shit existed (like back when the hottest shit was Quake), I thought it might be cool to get a professionally made skin everyone in the game could see for like $0.25-$0.50. A dollar, at most.

                            The first iteration of a system that could have potentially made that a reality, the things you’d actually wanna buy were $25-50. Like who the fuck workshopped these ridiculous prices?

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                            michal@programming.dev
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                            Adjusted for inflation, the price is probably the same 😅

                            But seriously they just charge whatever people will pay. It’s not like it’s free market, if people can’t make their own custom skins.

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                            • J joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca

                              Isn’t that what they did? Except to help preserve the “value” if the rare items you still have to get lucky to be allowed to buy them.

                              If they had a store where you could buy the ultra rare skins for 1000$, that would push down the “value” if the skins more quickly.

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                              apotheotic (she/her)
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                              The way they are preserving the value is a form of fomo.

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                              • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                                I wouldn’t spend money on skins in most games but Counter Strike is different. You can buy a skin, use it for years, and then sell it for more than you paid. In fact, skins are actually a very good investment that have historically had less volatility and better returns than stock indexes like the S&P 500.

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                                Cevilia (she/they/…)
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                                But you can’t get your money back out. You only get Steam wallet credit when you sell it, right?

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                                • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                  These skins have 15% returns? That seems dubious but it could be. I don’t think you can sink $300k into skins like you can vanguard, though.

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                                  noobnarski@lemmy.world
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                                  I bought operation cases for around 100€ 5 years ago, it’s now worth 1000€

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                                  • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

                                    Who is buying these skins. I feel like such an alien sometimes. I just can’t understand wanting to spend any money at all on a cosmetic skin

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                                    spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world
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                                    100%.

                                    Make a fun game. If there are skins, include a handful of good ones with the game and call it a day. I’m there to have fun playing a game, not to try on outfits.

                                    Maybe I’m old.

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                                    • P psythik@lemmy.world

                                      Agreed. The only time I’ll buy a skin is if it literally improves camouflage. I see no reason to buy a flashy skin that only serves to make you more visible to enemies.

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                                      fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
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                                      “Camouflage is the colour of fear.”

                                      “What the enemy can see, he will soon learn to fear”.

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                                      • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

                                        But you can’t get your money back out. You only get Steam wallet credit when you sell it, right?

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                                        appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        That’s where 3rd party trading platforms come in.

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                                        • K koalaunknown@lemmy.world

                                          Valve may not endorse it, but they certainly allow it. In fact, there are many skins that cannot be traded on Steam’s official marketplace, but only on third-party sites due to their high value.

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                                          appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          They tolerate it as long as they don’t do stupid actions that will alert Valve’s lawyers.

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