Today's headlines in the Daily Express!
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@Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross
They're trapped by a politics of negativity. They don't want to build, nourish, invest, research, create. It's all ban this, cancel that, withdraw from any kind of cooperation, stop the boats, cut taxes, cut regulations. They're full of ideas to stop doing things or go back to an imagined past, haven't got the most rudimentary idea of a positive thing to start doing or a way to move forwards.
Also they're super racist and creepy around women and children.
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@cstross Ah yes, it's “The reason why Brexit didn't work is because it wasn't REAL Brexit." It's the right-wing version of the continually-moving-the-goalposts logic that has a certain class of tankie telling you that the reason the Soviet Union wasn't paradise on Earth is because it wasn't REAL Communism (that part at least is true, but …)
I assume the Real Brexiteers won't be happy until the British Empire is restored. Or not even then, because of course it won't be the REAL British Empire …
@angusm @cstross On the continent, we call this kind of thing a Dolchstosslegende: it is taken as so self-evident that X should have succeeded, even if it clearly didn't (say starting WW I, or leaving the EU), it must be due to some deep conspiracy, so the solution is to do the same thing, only harder...
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@Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross
They're trapped by a politics of negativity. They don't want to build, nourish, invest, research, create. It's all ban this, cancel that, withdraw from any kind of cooperation, stop the boats, cut taxes, cut regulations. They're full of ideas to stop doing things or go back to an imagined past, haven't got the most rudimentary idea of a positive thing to start doing or a way to move forwards.
Also they're super racist and creepy around women and children.
@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross That’s because they dare not actually be upfront about what they want to impose on us. So their main way of getting people on side is to simply make people scared and angry at imaginary things.
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Today's headlines in the Daily Express!
The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.
Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.
Revolutions are *hungry*.
@cstross thanks, now I'm listening to DDT's "Revolution" (ДДТ - Революция). "Revolution, you taught us to believe in virtue's injustice. How many worlds an hour will we burn in the name of your bright fire?"
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@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross That’s because they dare not actually be upfront about what they want to impose on us. So their main way of getting people on side is to simply make people scared and angry at imaginary things.
@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross Quoting Sergio Caneva, writing in 1973, describing Italian Fascism in his book documenting the history of partisans in the Veneto (my translation).
“Fascism was neither an idea nor a doctrine, it was just a big cloud of soot created to defend the interest of the land owners and industrialists ... with the abuse of the word ‘fatherland’.”
History rhyming and all that.
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@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross That’s because they dare not actually be upfront about what they want to impose on us. So their main way of getting people on side is to simply make people scared and angry at imaginary things.
@bjn @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross
Yeah, but all the things they aren't saying out loud yet are more of the same turned up to 11.
They want to do a smash and grab to loot the country, and maybe aren't openly admitting the intent to grab, but all they're offering is the smash.
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@cstross Ah yes, it's “The reason why Brexit didn't work is because it wasn't REAL Brexit." It's the right-wing version of the continually-moving-the-goalposts logic that has a certain class of tankie telling you that the reason the Soviet Union wasn't paradise on Earth is because it wasn't REAL Communism (that part at least is true, but …)
I assume the Real Brexiteers won't be happy until the British Empire is restored. Or not even then, because of course it won't be the REAL British Empire …
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What are they going to blame after leaving the ECHR? Are they going to scapegoat a minority and say that Brexit now requires "removing" that minority?
The ECHR is the only thing giving people in the UK any human rights. If the UK leaves it, then there would no longer be any human rights in Britain. All there would be are assorted laws that parliament would be totally free to revoke and replace with whatever they want, including 1930s-style stuff.
The lack of a written constitution or powerful second chamber in the UK combined with fascists leading the polls is putting Britain in an incredibly dangerous situation.
@FediThing @cstross
Well obviously all the people in the detention camps will be those to blame. And if you asking awkward questions about the camps, you obviously should be sent to them too. England Prevails! -
@markdennehy @cstross you think these people give a suffering fig for Nordie Land?
It didn't enter their calculations and machinations in 2016, it "robbed" them of their Glorious Sunlit Uplands in 2020, it is an irritation to them, nothing more.
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@raymaccarthy @FediThing Yes, although adopting it is mandatory for EU membership: the Brexiters are somehow convinced that they want rid of it (despite it initially being called for by their object of veneration Winston Churchill.)
@cstross @raymaccarthy @FediThing
And more or less written by (the Tory) David Maxwell-Fyfe, Earl of Kilmuir. Who also insisted that it should have its own court, to prevent national governments bypassing it. For all that he was an unpleasant (& homophobic) right-winger, he was damn sure after prosecuting cases at Nuremberg that he didn't want the Nazis rising again anywhere. -
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What are they going to blame after leaving the ECHR? Are they going to scapegoat a minority and say that Brexit now requires "removing" that minority?
The ECHR is the only thing giving people in the UK any human rights. If the UK leaves it, then there would no longer be any human rights in Britain. All there would be are assorted laws that parliament would be totally free to revoke and replace with whatever they want, including 1930s-style stuff.
The lack of a written constitution or powerful second chamber in the UK combined with fascists leading the polls is putting Britain in an incredibly dangerous situation.
@cstross @FediThing but instead they’d have British rights, at the sufferance of whatever British Bill of Rights parliament saw fit to pass. Which would be inherently superior to the current arrangement because it has British in the name, obviously
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Today's headlines in the Daily Express!
The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.
Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.
Revolutions are *hungry*.
@cstross Was that only British flagged vessels within 12 miles? Because that would be rather problematic for things like international trade, ferries....
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Today's headlines in the Daily Express!
The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.
Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.
Revolutions are *hungry*.
@cstross
It won't be a "proper" Brexit until they kick out all those damn immigrant Normans. And maybe the Angles and Saxons too. -
@WellsiteGeo @aadeacon @cstross hey now, I never said ANYTHING about there not being 30 years of public contempt and repeated humiliation *first*...
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Today's headlines in the Daily Express!
The "Give Us a Proper Brexit" crusade calls for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), slashing red tape for businesses and enforcing a 12-mile exclusion zone around the UK for British vessels only.
Brexit is a utopian revolutionary project, and like all URPs it can never be achieved! Juche Britannia! Consign Earth to the Dustbin of History! The People Struggle for Brexit! &c.
Revolutions are *hungry*.
@cstross Communism ^H^H^H^H^H^H Brexit can never fail. It can only BE failed!
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@petealexharris @Remittancegirl @angusm @cstross Quoting Sergio Caneva, writing in 1973, describing Italian Fascism in his book documenting the history of partisans in the Veneto (my translation).
“Fascism was neither an idea nor a doctrine, it was just a big cloud of soot created to defend the interest of the land owners and industrialists ... with the abuse of the word ‘fatherland’.”
History rhyming and all that.
Yep: "Fascism is the continuation of capitalism by undemocratic means".
