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  • R ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    Looks very solid. I will forever be a NY pizza diehard but I can respect a well made pizza with a good undercarriage even if it’s not my style. Besides that, any pizza with no flop looks good to me

    Diastatic malt powder can also be added to potato purée to make it much, much, much easier to process

    Joel Robuchon’s probably one of the most decorated chefs in the world and everyone should make his pomme purée at least once. It is absolutely incredible and everyone should try it at least once. It is easy, yet difficult, because it is labor intensive. The abridged version is essentially:

    boil mashing potatoes (like Yukon gold, depends on where you’re from though, that’s a USA variety)for a half hour mash with something like a food mill or ricer if available. Not strictly necessary but makes the next step easier Heat on pot to evaporate excess moisture Pass purée through very fine sieve - absolute pain but essential step, the finer the sieve the better. I have a 250um lab sieve that I use for this and it’s amazing Back in pot, whisk in cold butter, up to 50% of the weight of the potatoes (robuchon uses 50%), whisk constantly once emulsified Add hot milk to reach desired texture Season with salt to taste and optionally with white pepper

    This is obviously labor intensive but it’s an absolute dream texturally. The potatoes are so smooth. An incredible experience that makes me go through this nightmare of a process 2-3x a year because it’s worthwhile, an amazing textural experience and flavor

    Anyone who has ever tried to over process potato mash knows that they turn into glue almost immediately. Robuchons method is necessary to avoid this but also requires addition of dairy. Heston blumenthal and Jeffrey steingarten made a similar approach with sous vide potatoes that also require gelatinization of the starches (the 30min heating) and addition of dairy to control texture. While a butter and milk substitute could theoretically be used there is an alternative: diastatic milk powder

    With diastatic malt powder you can make extremely smooth potatoes with much less labor and with no dairy at all (so entirely vegan). The diastase enzyme in dmp breaks starches in the potatoes into sugar and allow you to process it much easier:

    yukon gold potatoes, peeled, 1in cubes Put in water with salt and sugar (200% water to potatoes, 3% salt, 2% sugar), bring to boil, simmer for 30 minutes Drain Add 1% weight of the potatoes diastatic malt powder (eg if you started with 500g potatoes add 5g powder) to the drained potatoes Blend (it will be very smooth but sticky) Put in a ziplock bag and try to get all the air out Cook in a pot of water at 126F for 30 minutes (if you have sous vide use that, if not it’s not essential, just try to not let it get too hot) Put it in a pan and cook to 167F Season and serve

    When you cook to 126F you’re activating the diastase and letting it do its thing for 30 minutes. After the starch conversion you cook to 167F to deactivate the enzyme

    This sounds like it’s more work than it is but it’s basically the same amount of work as making regular mash, possibly less since you don’t actually mash them by hand. If you reuse the same pot like i do it doesn’t make that many dishes.

    This also has that extremely smooth texture but significantly less labor, it’s vegan, and because you’re not eating 800kcal of butter and milk it’s a more interesting flavor. Especially if you get high quality potatoes it’s a potato purée that allows you to simply taste, well, potato

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    modernangel@sh.itjust.works
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    Updoot just because I wrote shorter book reports in high school. 628 words 😮

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    • R ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      Looks very solid. I will forever be a NY pizza diehard but I can respect a well made pizza with a good undercarriage even if it’s not my style. Besides that, any pizza with no flop looks good to me

      Diastatic malt powder can also be added to potato purée to make it much, much, much easier to process

      Joel Robuchon’s probably one of the most decorated chefs in the world and everyone should make his pomme purée at least once. It is absolutely incredible and everyone should try it at least once. It is easy, yet difficult, because it is labor intensive. The abridged version is essentially:

      boil mashing potatoes (like Yukon gold, depends on where you’re from though, that’s a USA variety)for a half hour mash with something like a food mill or ricer if available. Not strictly necessary but makes the next step easier Heat on pot to evaporate excess moisture Pass purée through very fine sieve - absolute pain but essential step, the finer the sieve the better. I have a 250um lab sieve that I use for this and it’s amazing Back in pot, whisk in cold butter, up to 50% of the weight of the potatoes (robuchon uses 50%), whisk constantly once emulsified Add hot milk to reach desired texture Season with salt to taste and optionally with white pepper

      This is obviously labor intensive but it’s an absolute dream texturally. The potatoes are so smooth. An incredible experience that makes me go through this nightmare of a process 2-3x a year because it’s worthwhile, an amazing textural experience and flavor

      Anyone who has ever tried to over process potato mash knows that they turn into glue almost immediately. Robuchons method is necessary to avoid this but also requires addition of dairy. Heston blumenthal and Jeffrey steingarten made a similar approach with sous vide potatoes that also require gelatinization of the starches (the 30min heating) and addition of dairy to control texture. While a butter and milk substitute could theoretically be used there is an alternative: diastatic milk powder

      With diastatic malt powder you can make extremely smooth potatoes with much less labor and with no dairy at all (so entirely vegan). The diastase enzyme in dmp breaks starches in the potatoes into sugar and allow you to process it much easier:

      yukon gold potatoes, peeled, 1in cubes Put in water with salt and sugar (200% water to potatoes, 3% salt, 2% sugar), bring to boil, simmer for 30 minutes Drain Add 1% weight of the potatoes diastatic malt powder (eg if you started with 500g potatoes add 5g powder) to the drained potatoes Blend (it will be very smooth but sticky) Put in a ziplock bag and try to get all the air out Cook in a pot of water at 126F for 30 minutes (if you have sous vide use that, if not it’s not essential, just try to not let it get too hot) Put it in a pan and cook to 167F Season and serve

      When you cook to 126F you’re activating the diastase and letting it do its thing for 30 minutes. After the starch conversion you cook to 167F to deactivate the enzyme

      This sounds like it’s more work than it is but it’s basically the same amount of work as making regular mash, possibly less since you don’t actually mash them by hand. If you reuse the same pot like i do it doesn’t make that many dishes.

      This also has that extremely smooth texture but significantly less labor, it’s vegan, and because you’re not eating 800kcal of butter and milk it’s a more interesting flavor. Especially if you get high quality potatoes it’s a potato purée that allows you to simply taste, well, potato

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      betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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      @ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com If you want the line breaks (like what you have in the comment text box before saving your reply) to show up in your post, you can add two spaces after the text of a step:

      (Robuchon method)

      Boil mashing potatoes (like Yukon gold, depends on where you’re from though, that’s a USA variety)for a half hour
      Mash with something like a food mill or ricer if available. Not strictly necessary but makes the next step easier
      Heat on pot to evaporate excess moisture
      Pass purée through very fine sieve - absolute pain but essential step, the finer the sieve the better. I have a 250um lab sieve that I use for this and it’s amazing
      Back in pot, whisk in cold butter, up to 50% of the weight of the potatoes (robuchon uses 50%), whisk constantly once emulsified
      Add hot milk to reach desired texture
      Season with salt to taste and optionally with white pepper


      (Blumenthal/Steingarten method)

      Yukon gold potatoes, peeled, 1in cubes
      Put in water with salt and sugar (200% water to potatoes, 3% salt, 2% sugar), bring to boil, simmer for 30 minutes
      Drain
      Add 1% weight of the potatoes diastatic malt powder (eg if you started with 500g potatoes add 5g powder) to the drained potatoes
      Blend (it will be very smooth but sticky)
      Put in a ziplock bag and try to get all the air out
      Cook in a pot of water at 126F for 30 minutes (if you have sous vide use that, if not it’s not essential, just try to not let it get too hot)
      Put it in a pan and cook to 167F
      Season and serve

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        @ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com If you want the line breaks (like what you have in the comment text box before saving your reply) to show up in your post, you can add two spaces after the text of a step:

        (Robuchon method)

        Boil mashing potatoes (like Yukon gold, depends on where you’re from though, that’s a USA variety)for a half hour
        Mash with something like a food mill or ricer if available. Not strictly necessary but makes the next step easier
        Heat on pot to evaporate excess moisture
        Pass purée through very fine sieve - absolute pain but essential step, the finer the sieve the better. I have a 250um lab sieve that I use for this and it’s amazing
        Back in pot, whisk in cold butter, up to 50% of the weight of the potatoes (robuchon uses 50%), whisk constantly once emulsified
        Add hot milk to reach desired texture
        Season with salt to taste and optionally with white pepper


        (Blumenthal/Steingarten method)

        Yukon gold potatoes, peeled, 1in cubes
        Put in water with salt and sugar (200% water to potatoes, 3% salt, 2% sugar), bring to boil, simmer for 30 minutes
        Drain
        Add 1% weight of the potatoes diastatic malt powder (eg if you started with 500g potatoes add 5g powder) to the drained potatoes
        Blend (it will be very smooth but sticky)
        Put in a ziplock bag and try to get all the air out
        Cook in a pot of water at 126F for 30 minutes (if you have sous vide use that, if not it’s not essential, just try to not let it get too hot)
        Put it in a pan and cook to 167F
        Season and serve

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        ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Do they not show up? I’m using mobile and the formatting appears correct

        Good to know though, thanks!

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        • S spacejank@sh.itjust.works

          Amazing work OP! And thanks for sharing the recipe 🤤

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          pronell@lemmy.world
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          Thank you! It was delicious, I recommend you try it!

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          • R ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            Do they not show up? I’m using mobile and the formatting appears correct

            Good to know though, thanks!

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            betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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            Interesting, mobile in a browser or one of the apps? Here’s how it looks for me (desktop browser):

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            • B betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world

              Interesting, mobile in a browser or one of the apps? Here’s how it looks for me (desktop browser):

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              ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              arctic on ios

              I suppose the app respects its own formatting but that is kind of frustrating for literally everyone else on lemmy. Nice app though

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              • P pronell@lemmy.world

                Best pizza I’ve made yet. Diastatic malt powder is a real game changer.

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                gustephan@lemmy.world
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                Cast iron pizza is the shit, the only other pizza that comes close is a well made Sicilian. I like to stuff a bit of shredded cheddar between the edge of the dough and the side of the pan right before baking; makes it slightly more work to get the pizza out when it’s done but it makes a perfect cheese crisp on the crust

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                • P pronell@lemmy.world

                  My recipe is for three pizzas, but I’m sure the ratios work out. Bread is bread, but the diastatic malt powder adds so much flavor, I really recommend getting some.

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                  madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Where would one find diastaric malt powder? I’m about to search it.

                  Gorgeous job here

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                  • P pronell@lemmy.world

                    Best pizza I’ve made yet. Diastatic malt powder is a real game changer.

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                    dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    Surely a cast iron pizza will break your teeth?

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                    • P pronell@lemmy.world

                      Best pizza I’ve made yet. Diastatic malt powder is a real game changer.

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                      uhmbah@lemmy.ca
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                      Looks delicioua.Thanks for this.

                      Just made the short version. Waiting for the rise.

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                      • M madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        Where would one find diastaric malt powder? I’m about to search it.

                        Gorgeous job here

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                        pronell@lemmy.world
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                        Amazon unfortunately, but I’ve read that brewer’s supply stores sell it too.

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                        • U uhmbah@lemmy.ca

                          Looks delicioua.Thanks for this.

                          Just made the short version. Waiting for the rise.

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                          pronell@lemmy.world
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                          I haven’t made the long version of that recipe yet, actually.

                          I’ve made the classic NYT no knead bread overnight but not this one.

                          I actually cracked my Dutch oven on my last loaf of bread, hence pizza.

                          No regrets, the new Dutch oven comes tomorrow.

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                          • P pronell@lemmy.world

                            I haven’t made the long version of that recipe yet, actually.

                            I’ve made the classic NYT no knead bread overnight but not this one.

                            I actually cracked my Dutch oven on my last loaf of bread, hence pizza.

                            No regrets, the new Dutch oven comes tomorrow.

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                            uhmbah@lemmy.ca
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                              pronell@lemmy.world
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                              Looks delicious! Now get some diastatic malt powder, use about a tablespoon per loaf.

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