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Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there

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  • GloomyG Gloomy

    there are tons of studies

    Show me a meta study that supports this claim, please. Not a single study, but something that looks at those alleged thousands of studies and comes to the conclusion you are implying here.

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      Porn made with the willing consent of all parties involved, where everyone is compensated appropriately. No harm = no ethical problems as far as I’m concerned. Most big studios these days make sure of this. But there have also been pioneers that push the bar further up (e.g. Lustery, Ersties or Erika Lust).

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      So if a father and daughter consent is that ethical now?

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        Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: β€œ70.4%” average_expense_per_employee: 39400

        Leadership

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          • Twitter: @MelTankardReist
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          Collective shout finacials
          year: 2024
          revenue: 458043
          employee_expenses: 107000
          other_expenses: 215488
          net_surplus: 135555
          employees: 
            total_fte: 2
            full_time: 0
            part_time: 1
            casual: 4
          volunteers: 15
          donations_and_bequests: 389800
          government_grants: 0
          commercial_income: 0
          expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%"
          average_expense_per_employee: 39400
          
          Leadership
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            role: Founder, Movement Director
            public_socials:
              - Twitter: @MelTankardReist
              - Instagram: @collective.shout
            public_email_address: Not publicly listed
            salary: Not publicly listed
          
          - name: Caitlin Roper
            role: Campaigns Manager
            public_socials:
              - Instagram: @collective.shout
            public_email_address: Not publicly listed
            salary: Not publicly listed
          
          - name: Renee Chopping
            role: Campaigns Strategy
            public_socials:
              - LinkedIn
            public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org
            salary: Not publicly listed
          
          - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy
            role: Campaigns Strategy
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              - Instagram: @collective.shout
            public_email_address: Not publicly listed
            salary: Not publicly listed
          
          - name: Coralie Alison
            role: Movement Operations Manager
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            #140

            More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.

            Next sentence

            Also:

            Whether pornography contributes to sexual aggression in real life has been the subject of dozens of studies over multiple decades. Nevertheless, scholars have not come to a consensus about whether effects are real.

            Also also this study has nothing to do with your claim. Its not about porn preventing violent behaviour, it’s about whether porn causes it or not.

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            • K kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              Every accusation is a confession for these sex-negative types. The guy who shrieks the loudest about gender non-conforming people being abominable and vile is usually found 6 months later in Thailand smoking hash and hiring kathoey escorts.

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              Absolutely, and the scary part to me is how that projection includes LGBT folks also being child predators all the damn time.

              It’s like they are a bunch of bisexual pedophiles who are repressed and angry, and they get jealous when they see other people giving in to the same desires. Or, as we see all the time, they assume somebody β€œgiving in” to their homosexuality or gender dysphoria is also β€œgiving in” to their pedophilia.

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              • squid64@lemmy.caS squid64@lemmy.ca

                So if a father and daughter consent is that ethical now?

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                There is a clear power disparity between a father and a daughter. It’s debatable if the daughter could even realistically consent in that case.

                But a depiction of it in porn is in my view not inherently unethical. I can disapprove of it personally, but that doesn’t mean we should start banning it based on feelings of inappropriateness.

                We depict murder and violence in movies and video games too. Actual murder is of course not exactly ethical, but we have no problem accepting it in a movie, because nobody is actually being murdered. You might not like to watch a movie like Saw or something (I personally don’t), but it doesn’t make the movie itself unethical. To me, porn is no different. There’s a clear separation between fiction and reality.

                Where imo a line is crossed, is if said media actually makes a clear effort to promote these acts IRL. But that’s not the case here.

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                  There is a clear power disparity between a father and a daughter. It’s debatable if the daughter could even realistically consent in that case.

                  But a depiction of it in porn is in my view not inherently unethical. I can disapprove of it personally, but that doesn’t mean we should start banning it based on feelings of inappropriateness.

                  We depict murder and violence in movies and video games too. Actual murder is of course not exactly ethical, but we have no problem accepting it in a movie, because nobody is actually being murdered. You might not like to watch a movie like Saw or something (I personally don’t), but it doesn’t make the movie itself unethical. To me, porn is no different. There’s a clear separation between fiction and reality.

                  Where imo a line is crossed, is if said media actually makes a clear effort to promote these acts IRL. But that’s not the case here.

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                  What if the daughter is in their 20s or 30s? As for depiction, yes there are depiction of violence and murder in movies and games but it is not done in a way that glorify it and most people don’t watch it with thirst for murder and violence and they don’t get off to it either. The problem with porn is it’s made with that in mind, it only exist for people to lust after and get off to it. In many circumstances they are always trying to look for more extreme content because the normal stuff isn’t as satisfying anymore. It has been shown to affect the same area of the brain as meth and cocaine. It doesn’t cause harm physically but mentally. Sure a thing existing doesn’t make it inherently wrong but it more the effect it has on the people consuming the content. It’s also why drugs are bad. You could say the drug is just a plant, that it’s natural and that there is nothing wrong with that plant existing. But the problem is the effect that plant has on people who consume it. And I am not against you drawing something in private at home or anything, in fact I am strictly against spying and mass surveillance and people should all have privacy in their own home and place they live. So whatever you do on your own time by yourself alone I don’t care but the problem comes when that thing gets shared with others and affects them negatively.

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                  • GloomyG Gloomy

                    More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.

                    Next sentence

                    Also:

                    Whether pornography contributes to sexual aggression in real life has been the subject of dozens of studies over multiple decades. Nevertheless, scholars have not come to a consensus about whether effects are real.

                    Also also this study has nothing to do with your claim. Its not about porn preventing violent behaviour, it’s about whether porn causes it or not.

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                    #144

                    This is not contradictory.

                    The meta-study says that pornography contributing to sexual aggression is not proven. Meaning, it doesn’t make it worse.

                    Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

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                    • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                      They might be referring to the 90s, post Mortal Kombat.

                      A lot of games got blood censorship in a lot of countries.

                      Even before that I know some games like Contra they replaced the infected β€œhumans” with robots.

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                      I am really fucking old, to be fair, but every time I hear about violent video games being censored it’s Australia.

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                      • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

                        Always has.

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                        Talk about braindead / misguided legislature.

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                          This is not contradictory.

                          The meta-study says that pornography contributing to sexual aggression is not proven. Meaning, it doesn’t make it worse.

                          Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

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                          #147

                          Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

                          The last sentence of the abstract (More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.) seems to be adressing this. In the study itself they say:

                          A third group of studies considers relationships between pornography consumption and sexual violence at the population level (e.g., Diamond et al., 2011; Gentry, 1991). In such studies, changes in the population rate of sexual crimes are associated with changes in the availability of pornography, often due to changes in the law. Cross-nationally, most (though not all) such studies suggest that pornography consumption is correlated with reductions in sexual violence. However, such data are correlational in nature, and third variables at the societal level may also be responsible for these patterns.

                          You said, at the start of our dialog, that:

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                            This is not contradictory.

                            The meta-study says that pornography contributing to sexual aggression is not proven. Meaning, it doesn’t make it worse.

                            Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

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                            #148

                            Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

                            The last sentence of the abstract (More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.) seems to be adressing this. In the study itself they say:

                            A third group of studies considers relationships between pornography consumption and sexual violence at the population level (e.g., Diamond et al., 2011; Gentry, 1991). In such studies, changes in the population rate of sexual crimes are associated with changes in the availability of pornography, often due to changes in the law. Cross-nationally, most (though not all) such studies suggest that pornography consumption is correlated with reductions in sexual violence. However, such data are correlational in nature, and third variables at the societal level may also be responsible for these patterns.

                            You said, at the start of our dialog, that:

                            Regardless, there are tons of studies showing that consuming this kind of porn actually helps prevent people from acting on these fantasies

                            β€œThis kind” refers to violent porn, i suppose? Because the study states that:

                            Our meta-analytic results reveal no relationship between exposure to nonviolent pornography and sexual aggression.

                            So they are not talking about β€œthis kind” of porn.

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                            • squid64@lemmy.caS squid64@lemmy.ca

                              What if the daughter is in their 20s or 30s? As for depiction, yes there are depiction of violence and murder in movies and games but it is not done in a way that glorify it and most people don’t watch it with thirst for murder and violence and they don’t get off to it either. The problem with porn is it’s made with that in mind, it only exist for people to lust after and get off to it. In many circumstances they are always trying to look for more extreme content because the normal stuff isn’t as satisfying anymore. It has been shown to affect the same area of the brain as meth and cocaine. It doesn’t cause harm physically but mentally. Sure a thing existing doesn’t make it inherently wrong but it more the effect it has on the people consuming the content. It’s also why drugs are bad. You could say the drug is just a plant, that it’s natural and that there is nothing wrong with that plant existing. But the problem is the effect that plant has on people who consume it. And I am not against you drawing something in private at home or anything, in fact I am strictly against spying and mass surveillance and people should all have privacy in their own home and place they live. So whatever you do on your own time by yourself alone I don’t care but the problem comes when that thing gets shared with others and affects them negatively.

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                              We don’t have a specific cordoned off section for meth and cocaine in our brains. Many things trigger those areas of the brain, including some pretty innocuous stuff.

                              Porn isn’t physically addictive like meth and cocaine. It can be psychologically addictive though, but that goes for a lot of things out there.

                              Stuff like meth and cocaine can actually alter your brain, porn does not.

                              Anyone can develop an unhealthy relationship with porn, but that goes for just about anything out there.

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                                Meanwhile the population study seems to suggest porn usage reduces sexual aggression, or is at least correlated with it.

                                The last sentence of the abstract (More studies with improved practices and preregistration would be welcome.) seems to be adressing this. In the study itself they say:

                                A third group of studies considers relationships between pornography consumption and sexual violence at the population level (e.g., Diamond et al., 2011; Gentry, 1991). In such studies, changes in the population rate of sexual crimes are associated with changes in the availability of pornography, often due to changes in the law. Cross-nationally, most (though not all) such studies suggest that pornography consumption is correlated with reductions in sexual violence. However, such data are correlational in nature, and third variables at the societal level may also be responsible for these patterns.

                                You said, at the start of our dialog, that:

                                Regardless, there are tons of studies showing that consuming this kind of porn actually helps prevent people from acting on these fantasies

                                β€œThis kind” refers to violent porn, i suppose? Because the study states that:

                                Our meta-analytic results reveal no relationship between exposure to nonviolent pornography and sexual aggression.

                                So they are not talking about β€œthis kind” of porn.

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                                The meta analysis addresses porn in general. That includes fetishized content like violent or β€œtaboo” pornography. It states there’s no evidence that it makes sexual aggression more prevalent, and that population studies show that it’s at least correlated with a reduction instead.

                                We can nitpick the wording all day long, but ultimately I think the takeaway is that there’s no evidence that it has negative effects, and there’s at least some evidence that suggests it has positive effects.

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                                  The meta analysis addresses porn in general. That includes fetishized content like violent or β€œtaboo” pornography. It states there’s no evidence that it makes sexual aggression more prevalent, and that population studies show that it’s at least correlated with a reduction instead.

                                  We can nitpick the wording all day long, but ultimately I think the takeaway is that there’s no evidence that it has negative effects, and there’s at least some evidence that suggests it has positive effects.

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                                  Violent pornography was weakly correlated with sexual aggression, although the current evidence was unable to distinguish between a selection effect as compared to a socialization effect.

                                  If anything, this points towards the opposite conclusion. And that is with zero nitpicking.

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                                    Violent pornography was weakly correlated with sexual aggression, although the current evidence was unable to distinguish between a selection effect as compared to a socialization effect.

                                    If anything, this points towards the opposite conclusion. And that is with zero nitpicking.

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                                    The inability to distinguish between selection and socialization means there’s no evidence for a causal link. At best, it suggests that people who commit sexual aggression generally like porn featuring it more, but even that is apparently a weak correlation apparently.

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                                      It’s the wrong way to go about it though. Private companies should not dictate legality and morality.

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                                      I wouldn’t mind if Valve did. It’s the unaccountable payment processors deciding morality that’s spooky, because there’s no meaningful alternative.

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                                      • GloomyG Gloomy

                                        That logic falls apart real fast. Hitting children, for example. Legal, but is it right?

                                        Some places have legal laws that are horrifying. You can see the other implementation of your logic there. Like, is being gay a bad thing, as long as it is illegal?

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                                        I have no obligation to follow your moral compass - which is nothing more than your opinion. The only common denominator binding both of us, is codified law.

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                                          I have no obligation to follow your moral compass - which is nothing more than your opinion. The only common denominator binding both of us, is codified law.

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                                          Ah, the german approach (used mainly between 1934 and 1945) πŸ˜‰

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