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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    Toni AittoniemiG This user is from outside of this forum
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    Toni Aittoniemi
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    #15

    @anttipeltola Learned helplessness = The boring end of authoritarianism. Submission.

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      JeffJ This user is from outside of this forum
      JeffJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jeff
      wrote on last edited by
      #16

      @anttipeltola

      Unfortunately, this isn't really a technical problem, it's a policy problem.

      Organizations certainly have the technical capabilities to replace these tools, but the network effect is hard to break unless you're compelled to do so.

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      • Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺

        @anttipeltola

        Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

        krytenK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @kongakong @anttipeltola The point is that institutions don't need a facebook replacement to be built. Personally I don't see why a simple website isn't enough, but people seem to be less and less able to even create those.

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        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

          Finnish universities 1996:

          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

          Finnish universities 2026:

          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

          Learned helplessness.

          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

          CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
          CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
          Calcaneo
          wrote on last edited by
          #18

          @anttipeltola It makes me so sad to see this is true elsewhere... I truly thought it was a local problem for us 😞

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          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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            nothacking
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            #19

            @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

            > For opening hours, please see our instagram

            You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

              Finnish universities 1996:

              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

              Finnish universities 2026:

              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

              Learned helplessness.

              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

              HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
              HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
              Hannu
              wrote on last edited by
              #20

              @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                Finnish universities 1996:

                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                Finnish universities 2026:

                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                Learned helplessness.

                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
                VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
                Vladimir
                wrote on last edited by
                #21

                @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

                Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tuban_muzuru
                  wrote last edited by
                  #22

                  @anttipeltola

                  Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                    Finnish universities 1996:

                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                    Finnish universities 2026:

                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                    Learned helplessness.

                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                    FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
                    FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
                    FoolishOwl
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                    #23

                    @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

                    This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                      ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Γιανίρης
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                      #24

                      #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

                      Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

                      @anttipeltola

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                      • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                        @anttipeltola

                        Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                        Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Juho Mäntysalo
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                        #25

                        @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                        Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                        By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                        • HannuF Hannu

                          @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

                          Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @FknHannu

                          Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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                          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                            @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                            The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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                            @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                            • AlexM Alex

                              @anttipeltola the world would crumble if all these oss devs went on strike and pushed out an update that broke their library or framework. @uint8_t @funambolo

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                              @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

                              Yes, this could be a reasonable anarchist solution for taking down the system without firing a shot.

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                              • BfPVDFUeO BfPVDFUe

                                @anttipeltola not just Finland. I'd say most of europe?

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                                @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                  Finnish universities 1996:

                                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                  Finnish universities 2026:

                                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                  Learned helplessness.

                                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                  TommiT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #30

                                  @anttipeltola found it!

                                  Tommi (@tommi@jontka.fi)

                                  suomalaiset yliopistot 90-luvulla: kehitettiin tämmöne 😎 reaaliaikainen keskusteluohjelma 😎 sinne voi perustaa omia kanavia. Tietenkin se pyörii meidän palvelimella. Haluutko sen omalle palvelimelle? Otas tosta, ja sit hei! Tässä olis tämmöne käyttöjärjestelmä mikä tehtiin. Se on ilmainen ja paras.🤌😎 suomalaiset yliopistot 2026: te ette vaan voi ymmärtää miten vaikea on siirtää meidän viestintä pois facebookista 🫩

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                                  • Petri SalmelaP Petri Salmela

                                    @anttipeltola @openfactory The point was, that Linux was literally released at the University of Helsinki. IRC was developed at the University of Oulu. The first version of ssh was developed at the Helsinki University of Technology. All rather ground breaking.

                                    (Edit: Fixed "University of Helsinki" to "Helsinki University of Technology")

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                                    Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy
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                                    @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

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                                    • Kähisijäahon Pää-ÄljyP Kähisijäahon Pää-Äljy

                                      @anttipeltola @openfactory @pesasa wasn't ssh deveped while Ylönen was researcher at Helsinki University of Technology?

                                      Petri SalmelaP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @anttipeltola @openfactory @poppis Yes exactly. My mistake.

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                                      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                        Finnish universities 1996:

                                        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                        Finnish universities 2026:

                                        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                        Learned helplessness.

                                        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

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                                        @anttipeltola

                                        I would think if any country could do it, Finland could

                                        Finland already has the best open instance of #Friendica in English

                                        govts could do like France & make all employees be off certain platforms that collect data

                                        they could even subsidize an instance of an opensource friend app for citizens

                                        reaching out individually to get a friend to switch platforms rarely works. We could set up a #meta mass exodus day

                                        people will go where their friends & people go

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                                        • Z̈oéU Z̈oé

                                          @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

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                                          @funambolo @anttipeltola @uint8_t Its also that by paying them, they can blame them for any problems.

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                                          Ten, twenty years ago customers over at large corporations would often ask me what hardware they’d need to run my software. As software developers, we’d tend to be rather blasé about such questions: “whatever you have lying around!”. If pressed, we’d say you’d need this much RAM and that much storage. We thought we were doing our users a tremendous favor by being so flexible. Yet, customers were very much not happy with our responses.

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