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I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

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  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

    Finnish universities 1996:

    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

    Finnish universities 2026:

    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

    Learned helplessness.

    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

    NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
    NiniN This user is from outside of this forum
    Nini
    wrote on last edited by
    #7

    @anttipeltola I'm guessing in the intervening 30 years the MBA set came in and stripped all that "thinking" nonsense because it wasn't profitable and you could outsource it for cheap. It's not only learned helplessness, it's decimating institutional knowledge because some beancounters thought it cost too much to maintain it, happens frequently with many social pillars that are hollowed out by capitalists.

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    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

      Finnish universities 1996:

      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

      Finnish universities 2026:

      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

      Learned helplessness.

      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

      Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K This user is from outside of this forum
      Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K This user is from outside of this forum
      Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺
      wrote on last edited by
      #8

      @anttipeltola

      Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

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      • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

        I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

        Finnish universities 1996:

        "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

        Finnish universities 2026:

        "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

        Learned helplessness.

        #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

        I see Dud people!B This user is from outside of this forum
        I see Dud people!B This user is from outside of this forum
        I see Dud people!
        wrote on last edited by
        #9

        @anttipeltola sounds like complacency and laziness to me, but I am lazy and complacent.

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        • Z̈oéU Z̈oé

          @funambolo @anttipeltola „it’s not that simple! if it was so simple then why would they charge so much money for it??“ 😒

          AlexM This user is from outside of this forum
          AlexM This user is from outside of this forum
          Alex
          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

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          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

            Finnish universities 1996:

            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

            Finnish universities 2026:

            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

            Learned helplessness.

            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

            Geli Gak?G This user is from outside of this forum
            Geli Gak?G This user is from outside of this forum
            Geli Gak?
            wrote on last edited by
            #11

            @anttipeltola come on Europe, I believe you can do that.

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            • AlexM Alex

              @uint8_t most of these services are overcharged for what you get and they are built on top of free labor. @funambolo @anttipeltola

              Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
              Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
              Antti Peltola ⁂
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              #12

              @Mellivora @uint8_t @funambolo

              The age-old Silicon Valley trick of freeloading on others' free labour and making huge profits out of enshittification while calling themselves "innovators".

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              • FunamboloF Funambolo

                @anttipeltola exactly. It is also absurd how the public sector believes it is ok to pay hundreds of millions of euros to U.S. companies instead of probably spending a fraction of that money build their own solution based on existing open source code and open standard.

                Human after all 🇺🇦H This user is from outside of this forum
                Human after all 🇺🇦H This user is from outside of this forum
                Human after all 🇺🇦
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                #13

                @funambolo @anttipeltola in many cases totally illegally and in ignorance of EU privacy laws

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                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                  Finnish universities 1996:

                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                  Finnish universities 2026:

                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                  Learned helplessness.

                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                  BfPVDFUeO This user is from outside of this forum
                  BfPVDFUeO This user is from outside of this forum
                  BfPVDFUe
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  @anttipeltola not just Finland. I'd say most of europe?

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                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                    Finnish universities 1996:

                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                    Finnish universities 2026:

                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                    Learned helplessness.

                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                    Toni AittoniemiG This user is from outside of this forum
                    Toni AittoniemiG This user is from outside of this forum
                    Toni Aittoniemi
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #15

                    @anttipeltola Learned helplessness = The boring end of authoritarianism. Submission.

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                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                      Finnish universities 1996:

                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                      Finnish universities 2026:

                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                      Learned helplessness.

                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                      JeffJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      JeffJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      Jeff
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      @anttipeltola

                      Unfortunately, this isn't really a technical problem, it's a policy problem.

                      Organizations certainly have the technical capabilities to replace these tools, but the network effect is hard to break unless you're compelled to do so.

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                      • Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺K Tony 💉x10 🇦🇺

                        @anttipeltola

                        Creating a successful Facebook replacement has little to do with underlying technology or university education system. Success depends far more on access to deep, liquid capital markets and a large domestic market that can serve as a launching pad for international growth.

                        krytenK This user is from outside of this forum
                        krytenK This user is from outside of this forum
                        kryten
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                        #17

                        @kongakong @anttipeltola The point is that institutions don't need a facebook replacement to be built. Personally I don't see why a simple website isn't enough, but people seem to be less and less able to even create those.

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                        • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                          I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                          Finnish universities 1996:

                          "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                          Finnish universities 2026:

                          "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                          Learned helplessness.

                          #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                          CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
                          CalcaneoU This user is from outside of this forum
                          Calcaneo
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          @anttipeltola It makes me so sad to see this is true elsewhere... I truly thought it was a local problem for us 😞

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                          • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                            I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                            Finnish universities 1996:

                            "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                            Finnish universities 2026:

                            "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                            Learned helplessness.

                            #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                            N This user is from outside of this forum
                            N This user is from outside of this forum
                            nothacking
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            @anttipeltola There are lots of organizations and businesses that have a website, but refuse to use it:

                            > For opening hours, please see our instagram

                            You're lucky to find the address on the web. Anything remotely useful will be locked on a platform where you can't even read it without making an account.

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                            • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                              I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                              Finnish universities 1996:

                              "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                              Finnish universities 2026:

                              "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                              Learned helplessness.

                              #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                              HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
                              HannuF This user is from outside of this forum
                              Hannu
                              wrote last edited by
                              #20

                              @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

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                              • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                Finnish universities 1996:

                                "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                Finnish universities 2026:

                                "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                Learned helplessness.

                                #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
                                VladimirC This user is from outside of this forum
                                Vladimir
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                                #21

                                @anttipeltola Microsoft DreamsPark/Azure Tools for Teaching.

                                Let's put it this way: for past 15 years, life science graduates with pretty advanced degrees can't do a non-linear regression unless there is a specific 1000 EUR per year per user software package provided.

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                                • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                  I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                  Finnish universities 1996:

                                  "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                  Finnish universities 2026:

                                  "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                  Learned helplessness.

                                  #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                  tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  tuban_muzuruT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  tuban_muzuru
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #22

                                  @anttipeltola

                                  Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

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                                  • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                    I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                    Finnish universities 1996:

                                    "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                    Finnish universities 2026:

                                    "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                    Learned helplessness.

                                    #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                    FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    FoolishOwlF This user is from outside of this forum
                                    FoolishOwl
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #23

                                    @anttipeltola When I've read histories of computers and programming, I was surprised how often Finnish universities were mentioned.

                                    This also sounds like what's happened with universities in the US. In the 90s, a lot of significant software was developed and supported by universities and government-funded research organizations. But universities ended up outsourcing their IT.

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                                    • Antti Peltola ⁂A Antti Peltola ⁂

                                      I saw this on a Finnish post, so let me reformulate it a bit and post it in English.

                                      Finnish universities 1996:

                                      "Here's an operating system we created for you. Here's a chat network we created you can use with the operating system."

                                      Finnish universities 2026:

                                      "We don't know how to replace Facebook for public communications."

                                      Learned helplessness.

                                      #Linux #IRC #Finland #Suomi

                                      ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
                                      ΓιανίρηςI This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Γιανίρης
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #24

                                      #Finland B 4 NATO and Finland after

                                      Linux before Trovalds became a millionaire and after ... he moved to FB-land

                                      @anttipeltola

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                                      • tuban_muzuruT tuban_muzuru

                                        @anttipeltola

                                        Also Finland: ( seen in Turku ) a young man in his 20s ordering a coffee with his phone. He is sitting two meters from the counter.

                                        Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Juho MäntysaloI This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Juho Mäntysalo
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                                        #25

                                        @tuban_muzuru @anttipeltola

                                        Well, one less social interaction for the customer, and less need for a dedicated cashier.

                                        By local standards, this counts as a win-win.

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                                        • HannuF Hannu

                                          @anttipeltola my state government is doing this for everything. Handing ot over to contractors then claing ignorance on issues of medical licensure, license plate renewal, etc

                                          Antti Peltola ⁂A This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          Antti Peltola ⁂
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                                          #26

                                          @FknHannu

                                          Yup. Over 500 boosts now. That's "going viral" for me.

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