When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.
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And do what? Send the First Mounted Pellet Rifle brigade down there?
If Greenland was actually invaded, it’s part of the EU in all but name, and the whole EU would now be at war with the US. Even if we have no treaty (outside of now-completely dead NATO) and don’t join in, the US probably invades us to make sure, ala Iceland in WWII.
I guess there’s a possibility Denmark cuts and runs. In that case yeah, there’s probably nothing we can do.
If we were invaded and had a treaty with Denmark, the US would be at war with Denmark and hopefully the WWI cascading treaties thing would kick in and, again, the US would be at war with the EU. And probably the UK too since they have proximity to both the EU, and us through our sovereign - ignoring one is possible, but both seems like a tall order.
Of course, the goal is to deter invasion in the first place.
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I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that. But then it might be too late to do anything else
I wish the midterms were overwith so people could stop hoping for that
They’ll just place their desperate hopes on something else.
Anything to avoid having to actually do something themselves.
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And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.
Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.
Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…
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There are many who actually believe the midterms will solve this.
What other options do you propose?
I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.
And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
The only way this makes sense is if she is talking about America. I say that as an American.
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I’m not a Mao fan I just think it’s a funny image (and unfortunately topical in today’s world).
“Just joking bro”
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Venezuela should have been the line. Want to make it Greenland? So, they can take mexico, Cuba?
Each inch they take is too much. They have proven that they are following the Fascist guidebook.
Venezuela is the first step. Same as Hitler with Poland.
Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.
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Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.
It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.
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Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
I am Mexican Canadian.
Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.
If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.
So, why do disagree?
Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”
Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)
The manifest Destiny is no joke.
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I’m not sure about this. They’ve got a more than capable military.
But I’m willing to find out where their limit is. Militarily, I suspect it starts at a protracted war of attrition with a determined enemy that looks exactly like them and who pops in and out of unassailable and impassable northern boreal forests and muskeg swamps. Or hides in plain sight in the middle of Toronto. Or hops over the immense border to wreak havoc. No one would be safe, ever.
Economically, I think cutting off hydro, oil and potash would have an enormous effect on their comfort level. For lasting damage, nationalize all strategic resources and seize assets and companies. Raze them if threatened, starting with US assets. Nationalize all IP and patents. Sell all US government debt and send the interest rates sky high.
The weakness the US has is that they are doing this for more power and a comfortable life. They AIM to survive it. Frankly at a certain point I don’t care about that. Our fight is existential, and we have given up on a vision of life after. What matters at that point is the here and now, and that’s it.
The biggest weakness of the US is that Americans hate one another. At the current time another civil war in the US isn’t in my best interests. But future events might change that.
Also, I don’t want to fight Americans in the streets of Toronto. I would be willing to fight Americans in the streets of American cities tho. The American concept of war is something that happens “over there”. How would Americans handle it if war wasn’t just some drone video of a boat in the Caribbean getting hit by a missile?
Hopefully it won’t come to that. But people obsess over troop counts a little too much and don’t think at all about the weakness inherent in American culture. That weakness obviously led to Trump and the general decline of the US. That decline can be either mitigated or exploited. We’ll just have to see how it goes.
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The only way it’s stops is when the blood lust they seek comes home to roost.
Covid didn’t stop them when it was already in their homes destroying their lungs. This cult scares me, you can’t fight the insanity, it makes them stronger if you do. What do we do?
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
We need socialism
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
We know it’s not a joke. The three most populated cities in the US are in deep blue states and full of people who don’t want this. For everyone in those cities, it would take days and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to travel to the White House. Most of us are behind on rent, have had our cars repossessed, don’t make a living wage, don’t have healthcare, and have unsustainable credit card debt.
Outside of a very vocal minority, the American people are overwhelmingly united around the fact that we don’t want this to happen.
However, the American people aren’t in control of the American government, and the American government are overwhelmingly united around corporate interests.
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Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.
It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.
I meant that it is under the NATO umbrella. I have no interest, and I would not support, any Canadian involvement in Greenland beyond our help and support in the face of American aggression.
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and no single person can solve the problem.
That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.
Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.
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Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.
and then went home.
That’s part of the problem.
Effective protesting isn’t a “one and done” thing.
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I am Mexican Canadian.
Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.
If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.
So, why do disagree?
Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”
Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)
The manifest Destiny is no joke.
I agree on everything you’ve said.
If I may ask, and forgive my ignorance: Am I wrong about Mexico? Is there any room for mutual support? Or is Canada generally an afterthought in Mexico, or worse, not trusted?
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and then went home.
That’s part of the problem.
Effective protesting isn’t a “one and done” thing.
I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.
Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.
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And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.
Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.
Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.
Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.
What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.
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Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.
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