When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.
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The only way it’s stops is when the blood lust they seek comes home to roost.
Covid didn’t stop them when it was already in their homes destroying their lungs. This cult scares me, you can’t fight the insanity, it makes them stronger if you do. What do we do?
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
We need socialism
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
We know it’s not a joke. The three most populated cities in the US are in deep blue states and full of people who don’t want this. For everyone in those cities, it would take days and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to travel to the White House. Most of us are behind on rent, have had our cars repossessed, don’t make a living wage, don’t have healthcare, and have unsustainable credit card debt.
Outside of a very vocal minority, the American people are overwhelmingly united around the fact that we don’t want this to happen.
However, the American people aren’t in control of the American government, and the American government are overwhelmingly united around corporate interests.
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Why would you term Greenland a protectorate? It’s the territory of an ally.
It saddens me that Americans seem to be incapable of understanding even the concept of an ally.
I meant that it is under the NATO umbrella. I have no interest, and I would not support, any Canadian involvement in Greenland beyond our help and support in the face of American aggression.
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and no single person can solve the problem.
That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.
Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.
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Yeah well we had “No Kings” and people came together, yet nothing happened. A few million people showed up and then went home.
and then went home.
That’s part of the problem.
Effective protesting isn’t a “one and done” thing.
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I am Mexican Canadian.
Mexico hasn’t forgotten about all the stolen territory. Yes, they call it sale and secession and whatever, it was stolen.
If I put a gun to your head and ask you to sell me a property you have for $10. You are going to do it. I’d say I purchased it. I’m sure you’ll say I stole it.
So, why do disagree?
Because of the wise reflection of “first they came for the…”
Well. If we don’t stand against them taking over Venezuela, who is going to stand with us when they try to take over us (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the rest)
The manifest Destiny is no joke.
I agree on everything you’ve said.
If I may ask, and forgive my ignorance: Am I wrong about Mexico? Is there any room for mutual support? Or is Canada generally an afterthought in Mexico, or worse, not trusted?
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and then went home.
That’s part of the problem.
Effective protesting isn’t a “one and done” thing.
I agree. And that is why the US is done for. No one is willing to stay until we get what we want… and want is subjective.
Best to pack up and move to another country if they can.
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And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.
Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.
Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.
Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.
What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.
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Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.
As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.
THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.
Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.
US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.
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We know it’s not a joke. The three most populated cities in the US are in deep blue states and full of people who don’t want this. For everyone in those cities, it would take days and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to travel to the White House. Most of us are behind on rent, have had our cars repossessed, don’t make a living wage, don’t have healthcare, and have unsustainable credit card debt.
Outside of a very vocal minority, the American people are overwhelmingly united around the fact that we don’t want this to happen.
However, the American people aren’t in control of the American government, and the American government are overwhelmingly united around corporate interests.
There is still hope…
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The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow “As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA”? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they’d be supplying us in a couple of months.
There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don’t actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.
Do you know European funds can not be used to hire Iranians because the US demanded so? I know it because I was hiring an Iranian person until I figured I could not.
Open source software does not cover most needs, and server capacity is mostly in the US. I doubt you can switch away in one month from us software, do you have open source software for safe information storage and retrieval of patient data in hospitals that complies with the regulations of all 27 states of the EU? While China can produce things, they do not have strong chip designers. If they were to produce good enough chips I guess they’d keep them for internal use for quite a while.
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We need socialism
True, but if we’re going to put our people ahead of profits for American corporations, we’re definitely going to need allies to guarantee our sovereignty.
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Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.
Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.
What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.
Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.
I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.
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Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…
Thats true, but i dint think thats the case here. Regimes can always be changed. Sure it might take a couple decades, but even rome eventually fell.
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I and everyone I know is one missed paycheck away from homelessness.
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That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.
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We need socialism
Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it
Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.
This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.
Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest
If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore
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What other options do you propose?
I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.
And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.
if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…
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Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.
Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.
The beat goes on.
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