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"Triple-A is in crisis" and games "don't have staying power because they're bad," says ex Gears of War director and Painkiller creator

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  • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

    Some “DLC happy” games seem to work in niches while mostly avoiding the micro-transaction trap. I’m thinking of Frontier’s “Planet” games, or some of Paradox’s stuff.

    I’m confused at some games not taking the DLC happy route, TBH. 2077, for instance, feels like it’s finally fixed up, and they could make a killing selling side quests smaller in scope than the one they have.

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    saffire@sh.itjust.works
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    How does Paradox DLC work at all? The EU4 bundle with all the DLCs is on a 50% discount right now and still costs $142 CAD. Crusader Kings 2 is also over a hundred bucks at half off for all DLCs. And these are their old games that they already have sequels for. I’d literally play these games all day every day if I could but the price is prohibitively expensive and prevents me from doing so.

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    • A agent641@lemmy.world

      Have they considered not spending half a billion dollars giving hair strands shadow effects, and instead developing interesting stories?

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      reksas@sopuli.xyz
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      and rest of the budget on ads

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        yeehaw
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        That’s because it was replaced with the far superior AAAA games, of course!

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        • L lushed_lungfish@lemmy.ca

          I think the last AAA I tried was Baldur’s Gate 3.

          Pretty good tbh.

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          yeehaw
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          Nightreign pretty damn good too

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          • A ataridump@lemmy.world

            The only ones I play these days are Warframe and occasionally PoE2…

            I didn’t know they made Power over Ethernet into a game, let alone a sequel.

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            derisionconsulting@lemmy.ca
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            There’s even more than one Power over Ethernet 2s, and both of them are good games, often played by similar groups of people.

            (Pillar of Eternity 2 and Path of Exile 2)

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            • S saffire@sh.itjust.works

              How does Paradox DLC work at all? The EU4 bundle with all the DLCs is on a 50% discount right now and still costs $142 CAD. Crusader Kings 2 is also over a hundred bucks at half off for all DLCs. And these are their old games that they already have sequels for. I’d literally play these games all day every day if I could but the price is prohibitively expensive and prevents me from doing so.

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              brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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              #95

              Heh, that’s correct.

              This meme video about sums it up:

              The answer is “you play at release and buy them over time, like a crab in slowly boiling water,” though the absolutely incredible rate they introduce bugs into the games kinda knocks you out of the habit.

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              • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

                Im still waiting for them to make something TRULY original again, like Majestic.

                But that takes creativity and hard work, something massive corporations and capitalism will shove down so far you forget they ever existed.

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                thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works
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                It honestly feels like original and creative works are exclusively the domain of indie developers nowadays.

                Given how bloated AAA budgets have become, publishers seemingly don’t want to risk taking a chance on some more whacky ideas - at least until an indie dev proves it out first.

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                • T thatkamguy@sh.itjust.works

                  It honestly feels like original and creative works are exclusively the domain of indie developers nowadays.

                  Given how bloated AAA budgets have become, publishers seemingly don’t want to risk taking a chance on some more whacky ideas - at least until an indie dev proves it out first.

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                  bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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                  All they care about is the next forknight.

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                    It’s interesting because the live-service formula is kind of antithetical to what they want. They essentially want a low-effort low-cost perpetual money-printing machine. They really should just invest in actual money printing machines and churn out fake money, because that’d be a more successful endeavour.

                    The live-service games that live on do so because of a constant investment and commitment to the game and the community it harbours. The moment people think the writing’s on the walls, they jump ship.

                    It’s just so bizarre to me that they want people to invest time and more importantly, money into the game, when they themselves aren’t willing to do so.

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                    cmbabul@lemmy.world
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                    They essentially want a low-effort low-cost perpetual money-printing machine

                    Problem is that they can’t micromanage that into existence, ConcernedApe more or less created a money printing machine with Stardew Valley all by himself, at least at first. It would be so much cheaper for studios to find like 15 inspired independent devs/designers that need money to make their dream a reality, give them just a lil equity and room/time to cook and they might actually get something amazing. But ain’t no way execs and shareholders would let that happen, they’d yank the plug after year one of a three year contract.

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                      hightrix@lemmy.world
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                      Call me crazy, but I don’t want to play a game “with staying power”.

                      I want to play games that are fun, I finish them, then move on.

                      I don’t need a “forever game”. I don’t want seasons, season passes, dailies, battle passes, time limited, time gated content.

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                      • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

                        Thats why I love the ps1 and og consoles in general. For one. Yes, they had to work their asses off. For two, THE GAMES WERE (usually) FINISHED BY THE TIME YOU PLAYED IT.

                        The model of make game-test game-release game-DONE was tried and true, and something rarely experienced today.

                        There are amazing games today of course. But still, we have definitely shifted and I dont prefer it for the most part.

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                        sparrohawc@lemmy.zip
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                        Part of that is due to the sheer complexity of games now compared to then. It’s hard to test everything.

                        Of course, there’s also the problems of games getting released in noticeably buggy states, which seems a lot more common now than it used to be (there were definitely buggy games released for the PS1, but they were rare).

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                        • H hightrix@lemmy.world

                          Call me crazy, but I don’t want to play a game “with staying power”.

                          I want to play games that are fun, I finish them, then move on.

                          I don’t need a “forever game”. I don’t want seasons, season passes, dailies, battle passes, time limited, time gated content.

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                          ragas@lemmy.ml
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                          With staying power I thought of games like Factorio.

                          Bought it once, played it for thousands of hours. A decade later or so it gets an extension which basically quintuples the content, am playing it thousands of hours more.

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                          • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                            Wholeheartedly agree. Games these past few years have been big letdowns for the most part. There’s been a couple exceptions, but for the most part it’s been disappointing.

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                            zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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                            I blame botw, everyone thinks they can squeeze out more play time for less effort with it’s open world/collection/crafting model. In reality it just makes the game slow, boring and unrewarding by introducing a shit load of pointless travel and breaking rewards in to shards

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                              queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works
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                              This is what happens when you chase trends instead of just having a solid idea.

                              Newsflash: You aren’t going to turn random horror IP into the next Dead By Daylight. DBD is already Dead By Daylight

                              You aren’t going to make a multi-player online shooter that is the next Fortnite. Fortnite is already Fortnite.

                              Actually now that I’ve said that aloud it seems like the problem is that they’re trying to be the next big multi-player experience when they should be focused on a solid single player

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                              • L lushed_lungfish@lemmy.ca

                                I think the last AAA I tried was Baldur’s Gate 3.

                                Pretty good tbh.

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                                queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works
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                                I played BG3 and liked it, but stopped because the game seems to have been co-opted by the Far Right

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                                  drspectr@lemmy.world
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                                  Who would have thought that the long years of constantly pushing hard for monetization/profits from leadership while not giving a fuck about making a good game would end up eroding their reputation and choking their golden eggs goose. They released too many AAAs that were really AA$$.

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                                  • B bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works

                                    All they care about is the next forknight.

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                                    queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Indeed.

                                    What I’m really tired of is companies getting a random Horror IP and going “Let’s compete against a game that has MULITPLE horror ips”

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                                    • Q queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works

                                      I played BG3 and liked it, but stopped because the game seems to have been co-opted by the Far Right

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                                      faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                                      the game seems to have been co-opted by the Far Right

                                      Oh no, I hadn’t heard about this yet. What’d they do?

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                                      • Q queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works

                                        I played BG3 and liked it, but stopped because the game seems to have been co-opted by the Far Right

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                                        • Q queenhawlsera@sh.itjust.works

                                          This is what happens when you chase trends instead of just having a solid idea.

                                          Newsflash: You aren’t going to turn random horror IP into the next Dead By Daylight. DBD is already Dead By Daylight

                                          You aren’t going to make a multi-player online shooter that is the next Fortnite. Fortnite is already Fortnite.

                                          Actually now that I’ve said that aloud it seems like the problem is that they’re trying to be the next big multi-player experience when they should be focused on a solid single player

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                                          humorlessrepost@lemmy.world
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                                          I wonder if this has an expiration date, though.

                                          For example, as much as I love Broodwar, it would be nice to get “the next RTS” at this point.

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