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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
    CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
    Cryptopope
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    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    The Tiller 🌊🌦️🌈S pinecone (nc)P ChookMother πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ¦˜A JΓΆrg KnappenJ lebout2canap ⏚L 17 Replies Last reply
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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      The Tiller 🌊🌦️🌈S This user is from outside of this forum
      The Tiller 🌊🌦️🌈S This user is from outside of this forum
      The Tiller 🌊🌦️🌈
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      #2

      @pikesley
      πŸ’―

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      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

        pinecone (nc)P This user is from outside of this forum
        pinecone (nc)P This user is from outside of this forum
        pinecone (nc)
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        #3

        @pikesley "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's advance RAM order checks"

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        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

          ChookMother πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ¦˜A This user is from outside of this forum
          ChookMother πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ¦˜A This user is from outside of this forum
          ChookMother πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΊπŸ¦˜
          wrote last edited by
          #4

          @pikesley And eventually the stuff you steal is crappy stuff you, yourself, generated and you're stuck in a very expensive feedback loop.

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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            JΓΆrg KnappenJ This user is from outside of this forum
            JΓΆrg KnappenJ This user is from outside of this forum
            JΓΆrg Knappen
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            @pikesley

            Yes, and no. Eavesdropping to our everyday communications in social networks and private conversation on our smartphones or digital assistants (Alexa &c) will give the LLMs permanently new input.

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            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              lebout2canap ⏚L This user is from outside of this forum
              lebout2canap ⏚L This user is from outside of this forum
              lebout2canap ⏚
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              #6

              @pikesley I don't know if there’s an English translation, but that's what I felt when reading the SF novel β€œVie[TM]” by Jean Baret: algorithms that go around in circles for a world that goes around in circles.

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              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF This user is from outside of this forum
                FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF This user is from outside of this forum
                FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ
                wrote last edited by
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                @pikesley

                Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                  The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
                  The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
                  The Turtle
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                  #8

                  @pikesley they can start eating each other, then! Cool!

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                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                    kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
                    kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
                    kosure
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                    #9

                    @pikesley To paraphrase an old dead ghoul. "There is no such thing as copyright." /s

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                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                      contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
                      contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
                      contrasocial
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                      @pikesley

                      Which is why they still beg for work from actual human artists and shame them for trying to protect their work, they need fresh data constantly or their machines start to get inbred.

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                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                        CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                        CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                        Cryptopope
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                        #11

                        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                        Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Cesare PautassoP CryptopopeP wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 4 Replies Last reply
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                        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                          NeoAurum
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                          #12

                          @pikesley well said

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                          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
                            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM This user is from outside of this forum
                            Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye
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                            @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                            Neo EhproqueE wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W 2 Replies Last reply
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                            • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
                              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­G This user is from outside of this forum
                              ι’¨ζ›œζ—₯琳子 β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­
                              wrote last edited by
                              #14

                              @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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                              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @iveyline
                                wrote last edited by
                                #15

                                @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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                                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                  Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Rafael PΓ©rezR This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Rafael PΓ©rez
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                                  #16

                                  @pikesley

                                  The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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                                  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                    Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Allan SvelmΓΈe Hansen
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                                    #17

                                    @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                                    • FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆF FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                                      @pikesley

                                      Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                                      QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Quincy
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                                      @FediThing @pikesley

                                      Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                                      • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                                        David
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                                        #19

                                        @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                                        But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                                        https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                                        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                                          This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                                          Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Cesare Pautasso
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                                          @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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