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  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B This user is from outside of this forum
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    Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
    wrote last edited by
    #1

    Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

    Toxic idealism

    Spineless capitulation

    Mindless cynicism

    "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

    And lazy entitlement

    Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

    Make MAGA the target of your venom

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    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

      Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

      Toxic idealism

      Spineless capitulation

      Mindless cynicism

      "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

      And lazy entitlement

      Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

      Make MAGA the target of your venom

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      davoyager
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      #2

      @benroyce
      1 of 2
      What does that even mean?
      Toxic Idealism. You are just taking an ugly word, toxic, and put it in front of a beautiful word, Idealism. There is no such thing.

      Spineless capitulation exists across the political spectrum.

      Mindless cynicism is far more emblematic of the right

      The rest is mostly true except the graphic should have far more blue hands to represent how the left vastly outnumbers the right.

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      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

        Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

        Toxic idealism

        Spineless capitulation

        Mindless cynicism

        "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

        And lazy entitlement

        Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

        Make MAGA the target of your venom

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        davoyager
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        #3

        @benroyce
        2 of 2

        The lack of focus on the left which you rightly note is actually feature of a population far more engaged with the realities of the 21th century. The singlemindedness on the right demonstrates their blindness to anything but their mindless hate for the left.

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        • D davoyager

          @benroyce
          1 of 2
          What does that even mean?
          Toxic Idealism. You are just taking an ugly word, toxic, and put it in front of a beautiful word, Idealism. There is no such thing.

          Spineless capitulation exists across the political spectrum.

          Mindless cynicism is far more emblematic of the right

          The rest is mostly true except the graphic should have far more blue hands to represent how the left vastly outnumbers the right.

          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @davoyager

          Toxic idealism is when there is a better choice but it is scorned or attacked because it is not ideal

          There is only better or worse in this world. There will never be any other choice. Forever

          So people who do not choose better because they are walled off into inaction by their foolish toxic idealism are only aiding fascism

          This sort of inept idiocy is a very real phenomenon unfortunately

          Perfect is not the enemy of good

          But plenty of morons insist it must be

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            @benroyce
            2 of 2

            The lack of focus on the left which you rightly note is actually feature of a population far more engaged with the realities of the 21th century. The singlemindedness on the right demonstrates their blindness to anything but their mindless hate for the left.

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            #5

            @davoyager

            The problem is that the right's singlemindedness means they vote. While the left's lack of focus means they can't be bothered to show up

            So fascism marches forward

            There won't be a rest of a 21st century unless the left shows the fuck up and votes

            There won't be a left anymore at all if they are all machine gunned

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            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

              Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

              Toxic idealism

              Spineless capitulation

              Mindless cynicism

              "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

              And lazy entitlement

              Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

              Make MAGA the target of your venom

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              Alex
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              #6

              @benroyce

              Dude, half your posts are attacking the left. Maybe read this post back to yourself and make MAGA the target of your venom

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              • N Alex

                @benroyce

                Dude, half your posts are attacking the left. Maybe read this post back to yourself and make MAGA the target of your venom

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                #7

                @nap

                this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

                so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

                πŸ˜†

                if you're confused, please try to make sense

                if you're trolling, try harder next time

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                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                  Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                  Toxic idealism

                  Spineless capitulation

                  Mindless cynicism

                  "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                  And lazy entitlement

                  Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                  Make MAGA the target of your venom

                  Link Preview Image
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                  Mim1956πŸŸ₯πŸ€πŸŒΉ πŸ‰πŸ‹
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                  #8

                  @benroyce dit geldt ook voor NL, rechts wijst naar Links voor alle problemen en linkse partijen wijzen naar elkaar of zelfs intern, zijn geen eenheid #GL-@PvdA

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                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                    Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                    Toxic idealism

                    Spineless capitulation

                    Mindless cynicism

                    "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                    And lazy entitlement

                    Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                    Make MAGA the target of your venom

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                    TenPastTwo
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                    #9

                    @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

                    Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                      @nap

                      this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

                      so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

                      πŸ˜†

                      if you're confused, please try to make sense

                      if you're trolling, try harder next time

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                      Alex
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                      #10

                      RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

                      @benroyce

                      Oh, so this was attacking:
                      https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

                      And this was criticism:
                      https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

                      I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

                      Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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                      • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                        @benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

                        Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

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                        @TenPastTwo

                        i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                        never mention #Chomsky again

                        nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                        Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                        he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                        Fuck #NoamChomsky

                        And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                        A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                        Chomsky is not of the left

                        Not anymore at least

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                        • N Alex

                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

                          @benroyce

                          Oh, so this was attacking:
                          https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

                          And this was criticism:
                          https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

                          I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

                          Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

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                          @nap

                          it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

                          where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

                          fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

                          that's my point

                          what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

                          criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

                          do you understand that?

                          it's not complicated

                          you are incoherent

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                          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                            @TenPastTwo

                            i won't troll you but i will castigate you

                            never mention #Chomsky again

                            nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

                            Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

                            he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

                            Fuck #NoamChomsky

                            And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

                            A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

                            Chomsky is not of the left

                            Not anymore at least

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                            @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                            • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                              @benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

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                              @TenPastTwo

                              unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                              when it happens we sever all ties

                              #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                              we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                              that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                              what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                              the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

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                              Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                              The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

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                              (www.bbc.com)

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                              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                @TenPastTwo

                                unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

                                when it happens we sever all ties

                                #NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

                                we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

                                that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

                                what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

                                the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

                                Link Preview Image
                                Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

                                The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

                                favicon

                                (www.bbc.com)

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                                TenPastTwo
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                                @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                  Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

                                  Toxic idealism

                                  Spineless capitulation

                                  Mindless cynicism

                                  "Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

                                  And lazy entitlement

                                  Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

                                  Make MAGA the target of your venom

                                  Link Preview Image
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                                  xs4me2
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                                  @benroyce

                                  The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                                  • TenPastTwoT TenPastTwo

                                    @benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

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                                    @TenPastTwo

                                    #tankies are mindless contrarians

                                    "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                                    the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                                    supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                                    so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                                    #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                                      @benroyce

                                      The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

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                                      #18

                                      @xs4me2

                                      stand together

                                      the left needs to get its fucking act together

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                                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                                        @TenPastTwo

                                        #tankies are mindless contrarians

                                        "i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

                                        the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

                                        supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

                                        so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

                                        #Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

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                                        @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                                        • IanMoore3000I IanMoore3000

                                          @benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

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                                          @IanMoore3000 @TenPastTwo

                                          I think pedophile apologist is the most apt label now

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