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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    Rafael PérezR This user is from outside of this forum
    Rafael PérezR This user is from outside of this forum
    Rafael Pérez
    wrote last edited by
    #16

    @pikesley

    The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
      Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
      Allan Svelmøe Hansen
      wrote last edited by
      #17

      @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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      • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

        @pikesley

        Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

        QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
        QuincyQ This user is from outside of this forum
        Quincy
        wrote last edited by
        #18

        @FediThing @pikesley

        Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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          David
          wrote last edited by
          #19

          @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

          But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
          https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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          • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

            Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
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            Cesare Pautasso
            wrote last edited by
            #20

            @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

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            • FediThing 🏳️‍🌈F FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

              @pikesley

              Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

              AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
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              Agarwaën
              wrote last edited by
              #21

              @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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              • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                CryptopopeP This user is from outside of this forum
                Cryptopope
                wrote last edited by
                #22

                Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                  Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                  badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                  badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                  badambassador
                  wrote last edited by
                  #23

                  @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                  • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                    @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                    Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Neo Ehproque
                    wrote last edited by
                    #24

                    @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                    • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                      This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                      wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
                      wrote last edited by
                      #25

                      @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                      • Martin Hamilton, WHY -> WyeM Martin Hamilton, WHY -> Wye

                        @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                        wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:W This user is from outside of this forum
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                        wendinoakland :KINGPENG_PNG:
                        wrote last edited by
                        #26

                        @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                        • CryptopopeP Cryptopope

                          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                          KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                          KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                          Kingu
                          wrote last edited by
                          #27

                          @pikesley

                          I don't think it is "eventually"

                          It's right now!

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                          • KinguK Kingu

                            @pikesley

                            I don't think it is "eventually"

                            It's right now!

                            Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Hypolite Petovan
                            wrote last edited by
                            #28

                            @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                            She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                            • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                              @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                              She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

                              KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Kingu
                              wrote last edited by
                              #29

                              @hypolite @pikesley

                              With LLM, it's true 🙂

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