@nap

this is like "you don't tolerate the intolerant, so you are intolerant!"

so if i criticize those attacking the left, magically *i* am the one attacking the left?

if you're confused, please try to make sense

if you're trolling, try harder next time

@benroyce this reminds me of a recently published argument between Chomsky and Moinbot on whether what happened during the terrible Rwanda wars was a genocide or an atrocity.The letters between them really sounded like they fell out. I think there's a bit of pride in there too.

Appreciate I'm massively simplifying their correspondence. And I say that only to somewhat mitigate fear of trolling, which further highlights your point.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@Bandersnatch/116014266138722370

@benroyce

Oh, so this was attacking:
https://social.coop/@Bandersnatch@mastodon.social/116014269906832170

And this was criticism:
https://social.coop/@benroyce@mastodon.social/116015465284947604

I guess I'm just dumb, because to me it looked like the opposite. I guess we really need to protect the socialist vanguard, Kathy Hochul, against the reactionary terror of _labor unions_ politely asking to be left alone.

Take some ownership over your behavior, dude.

@TenPastTwo

i won't troll you but i will castigate you

never mention #Chomsky again

nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

Fuck #NoamChomsky

And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

Chomsky is not of the left

Not anymore at least

@benroyce Wow I knew he was a bit of a tankie but not the Epstein thing, now I do, I absolutely agree. That's certainly a hard reason to fall-out.

@TenPastTwo

unfortunately leftists morphing into right wing turds has a number of examples in this world

when it happens we sever all ties

#NoamChomsky is a piece of shit

we cannot think of him in any other way except scorn

that he once said something insightful is still true, and we can use his past thoughts usefully: quietly, to ourselves

what we can never do anymore is attribute any of that to a man who is now human scum

the name Noam #Chomsky is now rat poison

Chomsky advised Epstein about 'horrible' media coverage, files show

The exchange was among the latest release of files from the US government's investigation into Epstein.

(www.bbc.com)

Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

Toxic idealism

Spineless capitulation

Mindless cynicism

"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

And lazy entitlement

Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

Make MAGA the target of your venom

@benroyce yes and Putin apologists seems to be the beginning of many of them turning.

@benroyce

The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…

@TenPastTwo

#tankies are mindless contrarians

"i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral

the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia

supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid

so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion

#Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin

@benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie

@nap

it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing

where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency

fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA

that's my point

what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?

criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that

do you understand that?

it's not complicated

you are incoherent

@benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.

You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."

Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?

This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.

Touch grass and open a book.

@nap

Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

Divided in infighting

Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

*you* are the problem

If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

@nap

Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser

We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better

Divided in infighting

Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?

*you* are the problem

If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain

Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy

Toxic idealism

Spineless capitulation

Mindless cynicism

"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness

And lazy entitlement

Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism

Make MAGA the target of your venom

@TenPastTwo

i won't troll you but i will castigate you

never mention #Chomsky again

nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine

Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein

he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker

Fuck #NoamChomsky

And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:

A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left

Chomsky is not of the left

Not anymore at least

@benroyce The Red Skull, the leader of Hydra, said to Captain America,

"Arrogance may not be a uniquely American trait, but I must say, you do it better than anyone."

@benroyce

Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.

See what non-human victims go through
VVV
https://nationearth.com

#Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity

@ambiguous_yelp

interesting hijacking angle

and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts