Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy
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The biggest danger indeed, lack of focus and lack of alignment. The biggest problem, how to tackle undemocratic forces in a democracy while it is under threat…
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#tankies are mindless contrarians
"i hate the usa so i support vile regimes" is not principled nor moral
the moral, principled approach is to castigate the #USA *and* #Russia
supporting Russian #imperialism in the name of opposing American imperialism is just fucking stupid
so supposedly intellectual #NoamChomsky is functioning on the same level as a 14 year old edgelord in this fashion
#Chomsky's pedophile apologism in the #EpsteinFiles is just the final nail in the coffin
@benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie
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@benroyce @TenPastTwo all the weirder for Chomsky being an anarchist rather than a tankie
I think pedophile apologist is the most apt label now
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it was that post that inspired the top level comment of mine you are criticizing
where you see contradiction is in reality perfect consistency
fuck Hochul but she is not MAGA
that's my point
what the fuck does anyone gain from attacking Hochul, *especially* in the context of a topic change from attacking Trump?
criticizing someone for attacking the left is not the same as criticizing those who are doing that
do you understand that?
it's not complicated
you are incoherent
@benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.
You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."
Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?
This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.
Touch grass and open a book.
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@benroyce Just because you do not understand what I am saying, does not mean that I am incoherent.
You seem to be pretty preoccupied with how people vote. Well, right now, in New York, there are thousands of voters who are fighting for their livelihoods. Kathy Hochul is actively stymieing their efforts. You are more upset with someone who is saying that she shouldn't do that than you are with her for doing that. And, you are doing this because, "[you] agree with [them] in the goal [they] seek, but [you] can't agree with [their] methods of direct action."
Like, what is the purpose of the Left if not to help working people seek better wages and working conditions? To provide them with dignity and equality?
This isn't a team sport. This is real life where real people are really fighting to survive. And, you are being a rude prick to those people because one of them made an extremely mild criticism about someone on the blue team.
Touch grass and open a book.
Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser
We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better
Divided in infighting
Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?
*you* are the problem
If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain
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Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser
We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better
Divided in infighting
Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?
*you* are the problem
If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain
Keyboard warriors like you are the problem, and I think the reason you have so much vitriol for me is because you know that. Anytime you see someone with principle or conviction, it shames you because you have none. When you watch people do brave things, it shames you because you are a coward. You have never done anything besides post, you will never do anything besides post, and you are incapable of organizing anyone to power because you are so contemptible.
It does not have to be this way, but you are far too narcissistic to allow the thought that you might be wrongheaded to cross your mind.
It is lucky that, when people like me eventually prevail over the myopic avarice of liberalism, that people like you will just go along with us, because we will become your team.
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Anyone changing the topic to criticizing hochul under a comment criticizing trump is a fucking loser
We are struggling because of MAGA, for one, and also because of complete morons like yourself who won't criticize MAGA because you're too fucking stupid to understand *that* is job #1 is to make our lives better
Divided in infighting
Is any of that confusing to you you useless fuckwit?
*you* are the problem
If we are going to improve this world you need to grow a fucking brain
Alex the keyboard warrior complaining about keyboard warriors
and then the instablock, speaking of cowardice
but not before some oddly specific insults about feelings of impotency. i say oddly specific because the emotionally immature always reveal their own internal struggles in the shaping of their insult tracks
people like Alex are what is wrong with the USA, as much as MAGA
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Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy
Toxic idealism
Spineless capitulation
Mindless cynicism
"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness
And lazy entitlement
Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism
Make MAGA the target of your venom
@benroyce The Red Skull, the leader of Hydra, said to Captain America,
"Arrogance may not be a uniquely American trait, but I must say, you do it better than anyone."
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i won't troll you but i will castigate you
never mention #Chomsky again
nevermind him licking #Putin's boots over the invasion of #Ukraine
Noam is in the #EpsteinFiles defending #Epstein
he did this *after* Epstein was revealed as a pedophile human trafficker
Fuck #NoamChomsky
And I am not attacking the left, ironically, in contradiction to what I have said above:
A pedophile/ #imperialism apologist is not of the left
Chomsky is not of the left
Not anymore at least
Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.
See what non-human victims go through
VVV
https://nationearth.com#Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity
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@benroyce The Red Skull, the leader of Hydra, said to Captain America,
"Arrogance may not be a uniquely American trait, but I must say, you do it better than anyone."
it's true
our national character has rotted to a festering self-destructive mess of our own making
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Ok then, if chomsky isn't on the left because he's a pedophile supporter (agreed) then people who eat other animals aren't on the left either because they perpetuate a globalised violent system of exploitation torture and murder for their own taste preferences in direct contradiction of left principles of justice equality and fairness.
See what non-human victims go through
VVV
https://nationearth.com#Left #Leftism #Vegan #Veganism #TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #LeftistUnity
interesting hijacking angle
and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts
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interesting hijacking angle
and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts
I imagine I'm one of those perfectionists you're complaining about because I don't work with carnist leftists ie 95% of them
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interesting hijacking angle
and while i have no problem with your agenda, the way you hijack this discussion isn't going to win you any converts
This is the larger point I was trying to make and why I don't consider what I did as hijacking
You start off by saying the left must be united against the right, but then you carve out a specific exception for when we should shun those on the "left". When people "divide the left" they do it for principled reasons not because theyre opposed to any sort of collaboration. In fact it is the whole idea of "leftist unity" that is idealist, the idea that eveyrone on the left shares fundamental values is just naive and kind of patronising. Really the labels left and right aren't very useful at all they are broad tendancies and don't point to any particular ideology or set of foundational beliefs.
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I imagine I'm one of those perfectionists you're complaining about because I don't work with carnist leftists ie 95% of them
like i said i don't have a problem with your agenda, but i might suggest an improvement in your approach
if you want to win converts and exert more influence, don't proactively go out of your way to make enemies with potential allies or at least ideology-adjacent people
we both know MAGA laughs at you, and me. so why must we fight? what is achieved? giving MAGA aid by bickering with each other while they advance?
lead with inclusion, not exclusion
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This is the larger point I was trying to make and why I don't consider what I did as hijacking
You start off by saying the left must be united against the right, but then you carve out a specific exception for when we should shun those on the "left". When people "divide the left" they do it for principled reasons not because theyre opposed to any sort of collaboration. In fact it is the whole idea of "leftist unity" that is idealist, the idea that eveyrone on the left shares fundamental values is just naive and kind of patronising. Really the labels left and right aren't very useful at all they are broad tendancies and don't point to any particular ideology or set of foundational beliefs.
awesome
so you're happy with MAGA winning more and more until they just outright machine gun us
because rather than admit anything in what i said, you'd prefer to play little "gotcha!" games like "no, u!" mindless inversion of the meaning of toxic idealism: *i'm* the toxic idealist because i oppose toxic idealism
neat
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like i said i don't have a problem with your agenda, but i might suggest an improvement in your approach
if you want to win converts and exert more influence, don't proactively go out of your way to make enemies with potential allies or at least ideology-adjacent people
we both know MAGA laughs at you, and me. so why must we fight? what is achieved? giving MAGA aid by bickering with each other while they advance?
lead with inclusion, not exclusion
There's such a thing as toxic positivity and inclusion, I think its a dangerous idea to say that everyone on the broadly defined "left" should put aside their differences to fight the right. Especially when many of the same values that make the right a threat poison the left: what about people who want to abolish capitalism and call lgbt a capitalist scourge, what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony, or the example I gave leftists that uphold human supremacist power structures and kill other animals for their own enjoyment, or leftists that perpetuate white supremacy or ableism. These are just off the top of my head
#Left #Leftism #Capitalism #LGBT #China #HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Ableism
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There's such a thing as toxic positivity and inclusion, I think its a dangerous idea to say that everyone on the broadly defined "left" should put aside their differences to fight the right. Especially when many of the same values that make the right a threat poison the left: what about people who want to abolish capitalism and call lgbt a capitalist scourge, what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony, or the example I gave leftists that uphold human supremacist power structures and kill other animals for their own enjoyment, or leftists that perpetuate white supremacy or ableism. These are just off the top of my head
#Left #Leftism #Capitalism #LGBT #China #HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Ableism
Ambiyelp, i'm calling toxic idealists fucking morons destroying the left
i'm very far from toxic positivity
"what about leftists that defend china as a necessary evil to overthrow western hegemony"
so that's just championing totalitarianism
nevermind china is capitalist, so you're now incoherent in your complaints about capitalism
so in the end, you're not a leftist at all. just deeply confused
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Part of the reason for the USA's failure is MAGA but the other big aspect is a left that does not engage the real enemy
Toxic idealism
Spineless capitulation
Mindless cynicism
"Polite society" "high road" cluelessness
And lazy entitlement
Not financial entitlement but this obtuse entitled foolishness that we have the time and space to criticize some aspect of the left according to deranged standards of perfection when we're facing literal fascism
Make MAGA the target of your venom
I too look at someone like Chuck "The Lesser Evil" Schumer right now and think the dem's problem is progressives and "toxic idealism" of wanting a government that works for people.
If only we had more like Schumer (again), then Dems would start fighting back...surely. I mean, I know those exact kind of Democrats just voted to fund DHS, twice, but if we just cover our eyes and vote blue no matter who it will all work out. I mean it's gotta, right? Right guys?
Jesus fucking christ.
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I too look at someone like Chuck "The Lesser Evil" Schumer right now and think the dem's problem is progressives and "toxic idealism" of wanting a government that works for people.
If only we had more like Schumer (again), then Dems would start fighting back...surely. I mean, I know those exact kind of Democrats just voted to fund DHS, twice, but if we just cover our eyes and vote blue no matter who it will all work out. I mean it's gotta, right? Right guys?
Jesus fucking christ.
You didn't read what I wrote did you
You just had that itch fired up to scratch before the slightest bit of an attempt to comprehend what you were responding to before hitting post
Read my comment. I won't say "again": you didn't fucking read it
See how the *spineless capitulating* chuck schumers of the world are in my description of the problem with the left. Then edit or delete your post
I have nothing else to add because there is nothing else to address. You have nothing
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Toxic idealism is when there is a better choice but it is scorned or attacked because it is not ideal
There is only better or worse in this world. There will never be any other choice. Forever
So people who do not choose better because they are walled off into inaction by their foolish toxic idealism are only aiding fascism
This sort of inept idiocy is a very real phenomenon unfortunately
Perfect is not the enemy of good
But plenty of morons insist it must be
@benroyce @davoyager @Kierkegaanks I think the difficulty many face is that they're collapsing good-bad to the real line while those with power are diddling quaternions in their favor.
