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Valve makes almost $50 million per employee, raking in more cash per person than Google, Amazon, or Microsoft — gaming giant's 350 employees on track to generate $17 billion this year

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  • D dukemirage@lemmy.world

    If I want my game to sell I have to release on Steam, though.

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    lfrith@lemmy.ca
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    #102

    You don’t even have to release your game on pc to sell… Some don’t at all. Sticking to only consoles.

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    • G gladaed@feddit.org

      They probably should hire more people and reduce profits. But you can’t just hire anybody and that’s a lot of work.

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      lfrith@lemmy.ca
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      #103

      That’s how you go from sustainable to unsustainable due to chasing constant exponential growth then eventual enshitification that hits consumers to try to recoup all the lost money.

      You’re describing the shitty business models of publicly traded companies that hire thousands then lay off thousands and keep trying to do whatever they can to raise stock prices due to not targetting a sustainable stable company for the longterm but quarter by quarter profit targets.

      That steam has been more conservative with hiring is probably why they’ve been able to have the resources to go into hardware even if it flops unlike EA, Ubisoft, and Epic despite having way more employees.

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        That Weird Vegan
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        #104

        Fuck valve too. Gabe has over a billion dollars worth of boats. Fuck him to hell and back

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        • A als@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Both things can be true. They make good products while also making millions from kids gambling.

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          Rentlar
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          #105

          You are correct, though it bears stating that they make millions from kids gambling and they make billions for their software distribution platform, as one indicator of Valve’s priorities as a for-profit company.

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          • N njm1314@lemmy.world

            It’s not misleading, you’ve just purposely ignored the meaning of the words to instead imply your own.

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            dragonstaff@leminal.space
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            #106

            Have you ever considered that different people can interpret things differently? Why are you jumping down someone’s throat for clarifying an ambiguous title?

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            • G grimy@lemmy.world

              You could defend Amazon with that logic. the fact that the barrier of entry is high is exactly what let’s Steam, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo abuse of their soft monopoly.

              Nothing justifies owning a billion dollars worth of of boats.

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              appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              #107

              Amazon tried and failed, too.

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              • U ugurcan@lemmy.world

                Then again, somehow I don’t expect Valve’s expenditures are that high, except download server costs.

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                saledovil@sh.itjust.works
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                #108

                Eh, that could also include sales revenue, of which Valve pays out 70% to right holders.

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                • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Amazon tried and failed, too.

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                  imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  #109

                  Which is surprising, considering how much money they generate off amazon store.

                  All it takes is to give a good service like Valve does. But somehow, as in Zippy’s pic, competition keeps shooting themselves in a foot. Probably due to shareholders that Valve does not have.

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                  • I imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                    Which is surprising, considering how much money they generate off amazon store.

                    All it takes is to give a good service like Valve does. But somehow, as in Zippy’s pic, competition keeps shooting themselves in a foot. Probably due to shareholders that Valve does not have.

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                    appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #110

                    Tbf, I wouldnt even touch Amazon with a kilometer long pole even if the game was free.
                    I order on Amazon only if the physical item is the cheaper AND easier option to order from (usually because I can only get thing A but not B).
                    If I can avoid it, I will try to.

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                    • A anguo

                      Doesn’t make it less of a monopoly.

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                      imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      #111

                      A monopoly (from Greek μόνος, mónos, ‘single, alone’ and πωλεῖν, pōleîn, ‘to sell’) is a market in which one person or company is the only supplier of a particular good or service. A monopoly is characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce a particular thing, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the seller’s marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit.[1]

                      Steam is not the only supplier of particular goods, they do not own the market, they have not the highest price and do not lack competition. It is just that their service is far better than whatever competition offers. Nothing stops Microsoft, EA and Epic to implement same features Steam does. Like, literally nothing. These companies have money to do so. They just chose not to.

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                      • E empricorn@feddit.nl

                        Remind me again which game developer had to release their game on Steam? Or which publisher had no choice but to market on the platform? And are you the sole user forced to use Steam, or was that someone else…?

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                        scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        #112

                        I see what you’re going for, but most people seem to choose money over doing the right thing. Which brings us right back to capitalism ruining everything, again.

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                        • dan1101@lemmy.worldD dan1101@lemmy.world

                          Minecraft, Star Sector, Dwarf Fortress until recently. Stores like Epic and GOG and itch.io.

                          Plus Steam gives you content distribution, discussions, patches, all for free.

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                          dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                          #113

                          If I’d say to my publisher „but I don’t want to publish on Steam“ I can look for another publisher. You don’t need to defend Steam, I didn’t attack it by stating that you need to publish on the biggest platform.

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                          • B Bob Robertson IX

                            The gaming market is much larger than PC gaming.

                            And Steam does not have an 80% market share on PC gaming, so who’s lying?

                            And finally, who the fuck do you think you are that I owe you a response?

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                            FishFace
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                            #114

                            You’re right, the 80% figure I read was from a small poll, it seems 75% is the more accurate figure.

                            That’s honesty. You don’t “owe me a reply” but replying selectively is dishonest. It’s pretending you haven’t heard any contrary information, when you have.

                            Now given the 75 is quite close to 80, I think calling Steam a monopoly in the market of pc video game distribution is quite fair, don’t you? The honest thing to do would be to change your mind in the light of what you didn’t know before.

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                            • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              Not hard, if you don’t have 20k employees.

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                              rollerbang@lemmy.world
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                              #115

                              I can’t wait for your company to do the same. You know, because it’s not hard. Heck, I invite you to do the same with 10 employees, since it’s so not hard.

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                              • G grimy@lemmy.world

                                There is a difference in the problematic being caused, not the ethics. The soft monopoly they all enjoy together as a group (Valve, Microsoft, etc) is having an effect on the industry. We as consumers get worst quality games in the end, because 30% of profits go directly to a few hosting companies. A lot of indie companies would still be around if the game store club wasn’t insanely greedy and artificially keeping such a huge part of the pie.

                                If it wasn’t the same, Gaben wouldn’t own a handful of boats worth a combined 1 000 000 000 $. That is 9 zeros for boats.

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                                alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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                                #116

                                A lot of indie companies would not exists if there wasn’t a storefront like Steam that handles worldwide transactions, distributes the game and increases their discoverability.

                                There are other options, such as itch.io.

                                If you think Valve’s cut should be lower, you’re free to make your own marketplace and compete.

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                                • R rollerbang@lemmy.world

                                  I can’t wait for your company to do the same. You know, because it’s not hard. Heck, I invite you to do the same with 10 employees, since it’s so not hard.

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                                  appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  #117

                                  I said it’s not hard to reach that high of a revenue per head measure if you don’t have 20k employees.
                                  Google, MS and so much other mega corps have a similar revenue (dunno exact numbers), so they obviously have lower numbers.

                                  So calm down.

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                                  • appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comA appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    I said it’s not hard to reach that high of a revenue per head measure if you don’t have 20k employees.
                                    Google, MS and so much other mega corps have a similar revenue (dunno exact numbers), so they obviously have lower numbers.

                                    So calm down.

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                                    Leuthil
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                                    #118

                                    That’s the whole point though. Most companies keep hiring to make more money. Staying lean takes discipline.

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                                    • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                      Do they have any kind of profit sharing program?

                                      I’d be kind of pissed if I worked there and made like $70k or whatever, only to read this shit.

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                                      Kühlschrank
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                                      #119

                                      Levels.fyi data from 1 October 2025 reveals senior engineers at £206,000 ($375,000) total, but Valve’s equity-heavy model amplifies this, drawing top talent without micromanagement.

                                      This article was here the other day and made it sound like employees are treated very well.

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                                      • F FishFace

                                        You’re right, the 80% figure I read was from a small poll, it seems 75% is the more accurate figure.

                                        That’s honesty. You don’t “owe me a reply” but replying selectively is dishonest. It’s pretending you haven’t heard any contrary information, when you have.

                                        Now given the 75 is quite close to 80, I think calling Steam a monopoly in the market of pc video game distribution is quite fair, don’t you? The honest thing to do would be to change your mind in the light of what you didn’t know before.

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                                        Bob Robertson IX
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                                        I was going to just downvote and move on, but you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so. Let me be clear… you are moving the goalposts and I see no point in having a discussion with someone who is not just dishonest in the conversation, but insists that it’s others who are acting dishonestly.

                                        Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you’re changing the subject, but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers. They don’t even have a monopoly on Linux gaming because they have put their resources there into open source projects which others have also benefited from, which is how I’m able to play Rocket League (yet another wildly successful game not available on Steam) on my Linux computer. Bringing other ‘classic monopolies’ into the conversation makes no difference on the discussion we’re having. And those other monopolies were not taken down because they were monopolies, they were taken down due to their anti-competitive practices - something that Valve has actively and successfully tried to avoid.

                                        And no, I don’t think that because you feel that one number is ‘quite close’ to another number that they should be equal. I think that’s just another sign of you being dishonest and moving the goalposts and then assuming that you’ve made a valid point.

                                        And finally, respond to this or not, I don’t care, but I said, multiple times, all that I need to say on this subject and to you.

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                                        • B Bob Robertson IX

                                          I was going to just downvote and move on, but you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so. Let me be clear… you are moving the goalposts and I see no point in having a discussion with someone who is not just dishonest in the conversation, but insists that it’s others who are acting dishonestly.

                                          Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you’re changing the subject, but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers. They don’t even have a monopoly on Linux gaming because they have put their resources there into open source projects which others have also benefited from, which is how I’m able to play Rocket League (yet another wildly successful game not available on Steam) on my Linux computer. Bringing other ‘classic monopolies’ into the conversation makes no difference on the discussion we’re having. And those other monopolies were not taken down because they were monopolies, they were taken down due to their anti-competitive practices - something that Valve has actively and successfully tried to avoid.

                                          And no, I don’t think that because you feel that one number is ‘quite close’ to another number that they should be equal. I think that’s just another sign of you being dishonest and moving the goalposts and then assuming that you’ve made a valid point.

                                          And finally, respond to this or not, I don’t care, but I said, multiple times, all that I need to say on this subject and to you.

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                                          FishFace
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                                          #121

                                          you seem unable to properly understand that a lack of a reply can mean different things, and you just assume that the person not replying to you agrees with you and is just too afraid to say so.

                                          If you say “the earth is flat”, then someone replies with evidence of how the earth is not flat, then in another thread, you say again, “the earth is flat” without ever replying to the evidence, that is dishonest. If contrary evidence won’t get you to change your tune, what is the point in talking to you?

                                          Steam does not have a monopoly on gaming. If you want to narrow that down to PC gaming then you’re changing the subject, You were the one who insisted this conversation be about gaming in general. The person you replied to did not specify the market, and was clear the moment the discrepancy arose what I and everyone else was talking about.

                                          but even then, they do not have a monopoly on PC gaming because they are not the only sellers.

                                          You have already been shown that monopoly does not literally mean “the only seller” but instead means “the dominant seller”. By this point it’s downright weird that you keep insisting this is the meaning without even admitting that the counter-examples in textbook usage exist.

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