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Women experience guilt, shame and exclusion in gaming culture, study finds

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  • J jjjalljs@ttrpg.network

    Many men are emotionally unable to accept things like this. I think the reasoning goes like

    • i’m a good person
    • i like my hobby
    • someone is saying bad things about my hobby
    • this makes me feel bad, so it must be false
    • furthermore, the person bringing it up is attacking me

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    Belief perseverance - Wikipedia

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    Facts don’t matter. There’s really nothing you can do if you’re not someone they like.

    I also think about this comic a lot: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1151.html - Some people are too cowardly to grow.

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    feathercrown@lemmy.world
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    This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone link an oots comic. Nice pick.

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      ZeroOne
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      #80

      Suuuuuuure buddy, mobile gamers. Very reputable.

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      • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

        There was that study that found that the men most aggressive towards women in gaming were those less skilled than them, I think about that one a lot

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        ZeroOne
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        That same “study” uses evolution psychology which was proven to be not reliable. But hey at least we get to demonize men right as always.

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        • I Cast FistI I Cast Fist

          Maybe in more current MMOs, because back in my WoW days (2013 and earlier), misogyny was rampant

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          stray@pawb.social
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          That’s what I mean about the large sample size. It only takes the existence of a single asshole to ruin the experience for a target of harassment or casual phobic comment not even directed at them intentionally. Blizzard won’t ban these people, so they’re allowed to exist in the public chat channels, and they can say pretty much whatever the hell they want.

          But what I mean is most people do not side with them. An asshole will drop a transphobic comment specifically because they know most people will take offense and argue with them. The general advice is to disable public communication and stick to organizing via guilds and Discord servers which are actually moderated. If the game were a democracy, those people would punished and/or removed.

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            yeehaw
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            I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?

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            • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

              It’s not a culture. Don’t play online.

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              yeehaw
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              #84

              Can you elaborate?

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              • L l0rdmathias@sh.itjust.works

                Confirmed. Counterstrike specifically was very inclusive and very open to most players of all ages, demographics, and skill ranges especially compared to other shooters of the 00’s. Then matchmaking and eventually premier got introduced and any chance of moderating the community died and here we are today.

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                  underreacting@literature.cafe
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                  I would absolutely love a game mode with proximity chat! As a temporary game mode with a separate queue, just to let us try it out. Maybe it could have a dB-manager so people (or at least survivors) were only able to murmur or whisper and everything with loud talking or screaming would be muted? It’s be really fun to frantically whisper “the killer is coming, run” or murmur “I’m gonna get ya!” in a chase, or hear a survivor whisper some instructions and then their audio cut out from screaming due to a jump scare.

                  I think it could be a sort of middle road if there was a voice option for added friends in the game so that people can chat with their friends across platforms. That way people who want to chat with strangers can add people to their friends list while in any lobby (maybe with a category for “besties” or favourites to be able to sort irl-friends into), with the extra step to VC with in-game friends still keeping away the expectation that everyone can/should freely VC with strangers.

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                  • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

                    What’s the one joke?

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                    duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                    #87

                    “girls don’t play video games”

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                      qweertz (they/she)
                      wrote on last edited by qweertz@programming.dev
                      #88

                      Who play mobile games

                      So not proper gaming like on console or PC?

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                      • G grte@lemmy.ca

                        This is pretty clear to anyone who has ever played a game of Counterstrike or whatever and a woman makes the mistake of using voice chat. You’ll get the whole gamut from misogynistic nonsense to the most awkward and creepy attempts to hit on them possible, pretty much every time.

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                        Cethin
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                        But if you just treat them like normal you can make some good friends. I had a group of women I played CS with for quite a while after playing with them as a random and just treating them like regular people for once.

                        It takes absolutely nothing to just not act like you’re amazed at talking to a woman. They’re just people trying to have fun in the game, just like you and every other teammate you’ve had. Don’t treat them any differently.

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                          moltz@lemmy.ml
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                          Shocker. Women choose to play abusive games, come away feeling bad. Gosh, who could have seen this coming.

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                          • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldH hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world

                            I don’t doubt this but now I’m really curious about the numbers. Is it the same on PC? How do women’s experience compare to other genders in similar surveys?

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                            Cethin
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                            For how other genders fair, it’s almost entirely dependent on your voice, so feminine sounding people almost certainly get the same treatment, and masculine sounding people just get treated like normal.

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                            • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksS samus12345@sh.itjust.works

                              I think it’s a black PS5 controller. No light.

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                              Captain Aggravated
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                              Trackpad looked wrong is why I went PS4, but yeah you’re probably right.

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                              • D duamerthrax@lemmy.world

                                “girls don’t play video games”

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                                samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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                                Oh, right, THAT one.

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                                • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                                  Probably “A WOMAN is in the VC? AWOOOGA amirite guys?!?!”

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                                  duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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                                  Yeah, except this was irl at a lan part. Where they could see the woman’s lack of response. Whether they came with their boyfriend or alone, they never showed up to a second time.

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                                  • C yeehaw

                                    I don’t play these types of games with randos on open mics anymore, but it definitely felt taboo when a girl was speaking. It’s too bad there weren’t just as many to normalize it then everyone would finally hopefully move past it… Maybe?

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                                    lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                                    Do mobile games have voice chats? I’ve never seen one that did.

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                                      newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip
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                                      UK who play mobile games

                                      So not gaming culture.

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                                        lyd@lemmy.ca
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                                        “ackshually mobile games don’t count as real games 🤓” - lemmy users

                                        “women avoid me 🤓” - same lemmy users

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                                        • N newnewaugusteast@lemmy.zip

                                          UK who play mobile games

                                          So not gaming culture.

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                                          smilingsolaris@lemmy.world
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                                          Shame and exclusion on display. Why do you want to put people down?

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