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When will America realize that this is not a joke. They'll be laughing right up to the goosestepping.

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  • B bagsy@lemmy.world

    And you think action will be easier if you wait longer? You are wrong, things are only going to get more difficult.

    Facism is a cancer. You cant ignore it or reason with it, or hope it goes away. The only option is to take the terrible medicine and fight, now.

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    _chris@lemmy.world
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    Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.

    Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.

    What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.

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    • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

      Greenland is arguably under NATO protection. Cuba is not, and there are in fact many groups of Cubans in the US who support an invasion of Cuba, I’m not going to get involved with that bullshit.

      As for Mexico, I’m saddened by the lack of an informal alliance between the two countries. As much as I wish it weren’t so, I’ve not seen any indication from Mexico that they would stand with us. An invasion of Mexico would be an enormous step that would justify ramping up sanctioning behavior, but for me, as a Canadian, the line in the sand should be Greenland. Meaning if Greenland is ever directly attacked, we are in a war stance. We cut off everything to the US, sell all the Tbonds, nationalize all strategic resources (oil, media, telecom, water, hydro, food, potash, critical minerals), seize assists and nationalize all patents. I would recommend we also look for any alliance with China.

      THAT’S what I mean by a line in the sand. We cut them off and dig in.

      Edit… Hey if you disagree tell me why, stand up for yourself don’t just downvote and move on.

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      vane@lemmy.world
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      #135

      US is in NATO so it doesn’t matter, to be honest NATO without US doesn’t exists because it’s EU, UK, US and Canada, that’s why EU wants Canada in and to be honest Canada should join to keep itself inside old union. US is heading towards BRICS right now.

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      • O oshaghennessey@lemmy.world

        We know it’s not a joke. The three most populated cities in the US are in deep blue states and full of people who don’t want this. For everyone in those cities, it would take days and hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, to travel to the White House. Most of us are behind on rent, have had our cars repossessed, don’t make a living wage, don’t have healthcare, and have unsustainable credit card debt.

        Outside of a very vocal minority, the American people are overwhelmingly united around the fact that we don’t want this to happen.

        However, the American people aren’t in control of the American government, and the American government are overwhelmingly united around corporate interests.

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        thanksobama@sh.itjust.works
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        #136

        There is still hope…

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        • M mbech@feddit.dk

          The comment said nothing about the ban having to be this instant. They said to stop all trade. That could just as well mean, take the necessary steps to stop all trade as feasibly fast as possible. How long do you think it would take for China to be able to export computer hardware directly to the EU if the EU said tomorrow “As soon as you can supply hardware, we will stop all trade with USA”? China is the champion of accelerated manufacturing, they’d be supplying us in a couple of months.

          There already is open source software solution for by FAR most software that is used. Most companies don’t actually need proprietary software from USA, they can switch very quickly, especially if they get a deadline in a month to switch everything away from Linux, 'cause then the profits are on the line.

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          ranzispa@mander.xyz
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          Do you know European funds can not be used to hire Iranians because the US demanded so? I know it because I was hiring an Iranian person until I figured I could not.

          Open source software does not cover most needs, and server capacity is mostly in the US. I doubt you can switch away in one month from us software, do you have open source software for safe information storage and retrieval of patient data in hospitals that complies with the regulations of all 27 states of the EU? While China can produce things, they do not have strong chip designers. If they were to produce good enough chips I guess they’d keep them for internal use for quite a while.

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          • DylanMc6 [any, any]D DylanMc6 [any, any]

            We need socialism

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            corngood@lemmy.ml
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            True, but if we’re going to put our people ahead of profits for American corporations, we’re definitely going to need allies to guarantee our sovereignty.

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            • _ _chris@lemmy.world

              Well, yeah. It will be perhaps not easier if you wait for a mass of discontent or an inciting incident, but it will be winnable. You can’t fight alone. Yes, it’s going to be a fight and a challenge, but we have to convince the masses that the status quo is not normal any more, and convince the notoriously easy going and anti violent crowd to understand that violence is necessary. If you fight too early, you’ll get all the centrists against you as well - and we can’t have a two front fight.

              Groups of like minded individuals are already beginning to form. Those will naturally coalesce when the time is right.

              What immediate, terrible medicine do you propose? I’m legitimately interested.

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              bagsy@lemmy.world
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              #139

              Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.

              I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.

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              • W wonderingwanderer

                Some cancers are terminal/inoperable…

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                bagsy@lemmy.world
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                #140

                Thats true, but i dint think thats the case here. Regimes can always be changed. Sure it might take a couple decades, but even rome eventually fell.

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                  its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  I and everyone I know is one missed paycheck away from homelessness.

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                    jimw@mander.xyz
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                    #142

                    That’s exactly what the people being deported from the US are feeling.

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                    • DylanMc6 [any, any]D DylanMc6 [any, any]

                      We need socialism

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                      Phoenixz
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                      #143

                      Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

                      Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

                      This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

                      Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

                      If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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                      • W wonderingwanderer

                        What other options do you propose?

                        I’m aware the midterms aren’t failsafe, but they’re the closest thing to hope that we have.

                        And if people make the same mistake as last time by boycotting the vote, then their defeatism will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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                        heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                        if we are relying on legal processes, we wait until midterms, magically retake the house and enough of the senate to impeach and unseat. that places the speaker of the house (not maga) in.

                        if we are relying on extralegal methods, we really ought to have better operational security than to discuss it on the internet. so…

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                        • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                          Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                          asg101@lemmy.ca
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                          Anyone who thinks warmongering, fascism, and terrorism are unAmerican has not read much American history. The U.S.A was founded on genocide, grown on slavery, and has oligarchy baked in to their constitution. Hitler studied the way the U.S. treated indigenous and black people to form his genocide plans, and Israel has built on both the U.S. and Nazi examples for their treatment of Palestine.

                          The beat goes on.

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                          • P Phoenixz

                            Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

                            Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

                            This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

                            Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

                            If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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                            asg101@lemmy.ca
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                            I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth.

                            Stage one cancer is still cancer. All capitalism is exploitation.

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                            • B bagsy@lemmy.world

                              Thats the thing, I dont know what the medicine should be.

                              I feel like we are waiting either for an incident like you suggest, or a leader who is able to rally the un-interested, un-motivated, and burned out masses. The left does not have their super star yet.

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                              _chris@lemmy.world
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                              Yeah, I agree. The left’s leadership is really just “less right”, but equally owned by corporations. That’s not gonna do anything for us.

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                              • P Phoenixz

                                Yeah, well, capitalism’s propaganda is working boat loads better, hence so many idiots defending it

                                Fwiw, I think we should have a capitalist system with hard caps on net Worth. Anything over 10M goes straight to taxes. Nobody should be able to get more than X % of all the votes, ever. Govt regulates legislation on products, safety, etc, for consumers.

                                This way we get the best of capitalism (free trade, basically), nobody gets too rich, nobody gets too powerful, and the government has a huge income for a giant socialist system with free healthcare, free education, free transportation, free housing, ubi, you name it.

                                Governments can sponsor independent journalism financing institutions that can in turn finance real independent journalism that can keep everyone honest

                                If nobody is too powerful, if everyone is honest and well informed, nobody can start a war over bullshit reasons anymore

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                                DylanMc6 [any, any]
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                                Are you saying you prefer market socialism? I think that the means of productions would be owned by the people through markets. If NOT market socialism, I can assume you prefer democratic socialism or social democracy.

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                                • R raskolnikovsaxe@lemmy.ca

                                  Canadians: Greenland must be the line in the sand. Non negotiable.

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                                  beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                  We already realize that, you have to understand there’s multiple groups in the USA with varying views on what’s going on. Not everyone is with the fascists or apathetic to it. People calling for us to start armed rebellion in the streets of the USA do not understand the social dynamics nor general size such would have to be. I’m okay with fascists being afraid but until we have a strong majority, especially the apathetic, to agree, they’ll be labeled terrorists by the state as well as all our main media.

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                                  • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                                    Poland was the last step, which is what started WWII. I think you mean Czechoslovakia (or maybe the Rhineland) was the first step.

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                                    rarsamx@lemmy.ca
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                                    Thanks for the correction.

                                    Just the first step 😔

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                                    • S shaggyb@lemmy.world

                                      You don’t get it.

                                      The people posting shit like that WANT TO KILL.

                                      They are bloodthirsty. They are warmongers. They want a bodycount.

                                      There’s nothing more to realize about the joke because it’s not a joke.

                                      America is ruled by murderers.

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                                      beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      Yes and they have a sizable enough of supporters who would turn those guns inwards that just going to the streets armed without proper organization isn’t going to do jack shit. Stop calling for us to just blindly kill each other you fucking dimwits. People talk about how stupid Americans are but dear god is the mirror shattered in them understanding us.

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                                      • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR remembertheapollo_@lemmy.world

                                        Miller is the ghoul behind a lot of the worst of what the government is doing. Trump is bad, but he’s an idiot. Miller knows what he’s doing and has a plan.

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                                        beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                        Trump is the demagogue that controls the masses, they’re the puppeteers controlling him. They KNOW he doesn’t have long so they’re doing what they can in a short amount of time. The USA is now a hostile power in the world and people don’t realize that. What are they going to demand their governments do?

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                                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                          and no single person can solve the problem.

                                          That’s a big part of their problem. They keep thinking about individual actions instead of coming together and acting as a group toward a common goal.

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                                          beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                          And a lot of people outside the USA looking in don’t realize the social dynamics. I want to stop this, but a lot needs to happen first as lone wolfing just gets you labeled a terrorists and extra judicially killed.

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