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  • D dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net

    Martial arts? Like monks are trained in?

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    I didn’t write things in a good way.

    Yes, like monks are trained in, but more like real world monks that are martial artists.

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    • G ghostie@lemmy.zip

      When I DM I have a consistent house rule that if you have the ability to do a bonus action, you can do a strike with an unarmed off hand if you are adjacent to an enemy regardless of class. If it connects it does 1d4 bludgeoning and has a chance to knock a medium or smaller enemy prone if the player wins a strength contest. Nat 20 achieves both the connecting of the hit and the prone.

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      “Also, f*ck monks.”

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        “Also, f*ck monks.”

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        ghostie@lemmy.zip
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        I like when my monk players take 15 minutes to decide what to do only to end up punching a bunch of times and end their turn.

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        • G ghostie@lemmy.zip

          When I DM I have a consistent house rule that if you have the ability to do a bonus action, you can do a strike with an unarmed off hand if you are adjacent to an enemy regardless of class. If it connects it does 1d4 bludgeoning and has a chance to knock a medium or smaller enemy prone if the player wins a strength contest. Nat 20 achieves both the connecting of the hit and the prone.

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          theminions@lemmy.world
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          I’d allow this but, I’d let it just be the flat Str score of an attack.

          Monks get to have their unarmed strike to be special.

          The prone stuff seems a bit OP. I’d make it a part of Crusher instead.

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          • G ghostie@lemmy.zip

            I like when my monk players take 15 minutes to decide what to do only to end up punching a bunch of times and end their turn.

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            …most folks don’t like that…

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            • T theminions@lemmy.world

              I’d allow this but, I’d let it just be the flat Str score of an attack.

              Monks get to have their unarmed strike to be special.

              The prone stuff seems a bit OP. I’d make it a part of Crusher instead.

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              ghostie@lemmy.zip
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              It usually works out fine. Plus sometimes the potential of just getting a 1d4 out of it doesn’t seem worth it to waste a bonus action, especially at higher level encounters. I have other house rules that also incentivize other options too. But I’ve been blessed with players that like to keep things interesting and inventive for the fun of it rather than just cheese everything they can.

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                weird… am I the only one who grew up w/ ‘dual wielding is two weapons of the same kind’ table rule? hence, the dual label…

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                • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

                  weird… am I the only one who grew up w/ ‘dual wielding is two weapons of the same kind’ table rule? hence, the dual label…

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                  rants_unnecessarily
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                  DW in real life means that you have two weapons, of any kind. It literally means that you are wielding two. Not a pair.

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                  • G ghostie@lemmy.zip

                    I like when my monk players take 15 minutes to decide what to do only to end up punching a bunch of times and end their turn.

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                    susaga@sh.itjust.works
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                    I think that has less to do with monks and more to do with your players.

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                      There’s a phenomenon in TTRPGs called a Mermaids Amulet. There was an item in a game that let a mermaid breathe in air, which was the ONLY thing that indicated they normally couldn’t. In short, a rule was only shown to exist by an ability to overcome it.

                      Monks have the ability to make a bonus action unarmed strike after making an attack, which would be redundant if the dual wielding rules let you do that.

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                      • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.worldC chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world

                        Yeah, especially when one is likely much more powerful than the other. If you are a monk with a sword you are wasting your time. If you are a Warrior* with a free hand you are wasting your time.

                        *Sorry, that should have been Fighter, I’m sick, and I’ve been reading too many variant rulesets while I’m sitting at home.

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                        vithigar@lemmy.ca
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                        If you have nothing else to do with your bonus action that round then it isn’t really a waste of time, no matter how bad it is. 1 damage is sometimes all you need.

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                        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

                          weird… am I the only one who grew up w/ ‘dual wielding is two weapons of the same kind’ table rule? hence, the dual label…

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                          orenj@lemmy.kde.social
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                          Rapier and main gauche was my first idea of dual wielding, shrug

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                          • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

                            weird… am I the only one who grew up w/ ‘dual wielding is two weapons of the same kind’ table rule? hence, the dual label…

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                            jax@sh.itjust.works
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                            Probably, considering the meaning of dual

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                              zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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                              Stuff like this is why I like my DM so much. He has basically a “common sense” time for stuff like this where if an action makes good common sense within the world he’s built (like a warrior type being able to punch someone after swinging a sword, or a brawler type being able to use both their fists without having to have some esoteric attribute attached to their character sheet), it’s allowed, and you can roll for it.

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                              • G ghostie@lemmy.zip

                                When I DM I have a consistent house rule that if you have the ability to do a bonus action, you can do a strike with an unarmed off hand if you are adjacent to an enemy regardless of class. If it connects it does 1d4 bludgeoning and has a chance to knock a medium or smaller enemy prone if the player wins a strength contest. Nat 20 achieves both the connecting of the hit and the prone.

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                                vithigar@lemmy.ca
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                                That is massively more powerful than a RAW normal action unarmed attack, which does a single point of damage with no other riders.

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                                • V vithigar@lemmy.ca

                                  That is massively more powerful than a RAW normal action unarmed attack, which does a single point of damage with no other riders.

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                                  ghostie@lemmy.zip
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                                  More fun

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                                  • C canonical_warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    Also somewhat historically accurate. Ye olde sword fighting was basically just brawling with blades.

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                                    mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Depends on what era. In Europe, coats of plates didn’t really appear before the 13th century and full plate armor wasn’t developed until the late 14th century. Before that you mainly had people wearing chainmail and a helmet if they could get it, or gambesons (cloth armor).

                                    At that time, weapons were still somewhat effective against armor. Spears, axes, and arrows could punch through chainmail.

                                    When full plate armor was developed, only the very wealthy had access to it, and everyone else continued to just wear chainmail and gambesons. Fully armored knights effectively became tanks that could slash their way through all the peons.

                                    The only realistic way the foot soldiers could stop them was to have several guys swarm an isolated knight, each grabbing a limb, and hold him down. Then they would either stab the knight through the gaps in his armor (like the eyeslot of the visor) or more likely would drag him off for ransom.

                                    That being said, there are plenty of instances of 2 armored knights fighting each other, with them often half-swording or grappling each other to the ground and stabbing each other with daggers.

                                    But my earlier comparison to tanks still stands. Most of the time, tanks are actually supporting infantry units, with tank v tank encounters being relatively rare. Similarly, knights spent most of their time in relatively small units killing a lot of unarmored opponents

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                                      Tell me how the grass tastes, little man!

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                                      mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
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                                      As someone with a similar hobby, I personally hate this clip. It’s obviously choreographed, but I just don’t find concussions funny anymore.

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                                      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

                                        weird… am I the only one who grew up w/ ‘dual wielding is two weapons of the same kind’ table rule? hence, the dual label…

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                                        ooops@feddit.org
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                                        Not the only one, but probably a minority. Dual-wielding identical weapons is mostly a meme popularized by fantasy literature and games, and the movies and pc games based on those.

                                        In actual reality people are quite bad at coordinating similar weapons and don’t get much benefit out of it. So the classical dual-wield is a bigger main weapon and a smaller supporting offhand, beginning with shields being used offensively (and getting smaller and more maneuverable with the main one becoming lighter and faster - see buckler) and ending with classic combinations like rapier & parrying dagger or Daishō (a katana & wakizashi pair).

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                                        • owenfromcanada@lemmy.caO owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca

                                          I can’t imagine too many scenarios where allowing someone who is wielding a one-handed (or versatile) weapon and nothing in the off hand to have a bonus action unarmed strike to be game-breaking. Seems like an easy call to me.

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                                          emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          Pretty sure this is rules as written or at least as interpreted by Baldur’s Gate 3. It’s been a while since my playthrough but I’m pretty sure I was doing this with Astarion the whole time. Knife in one hand unarmed strike with the other. Warrior monk rogue kicked ass.

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