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  • GinaG Gina

    Well, this is unfortunate.

    "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

    #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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    Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

    Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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    @Gina@fosstodon.org will people ever learn proton is a massive fed honeypot or will this continue

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      @Gina@fosstodon.org will people ever learn proton is a massive fed honeypot or will this continue

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      @privateger @Gina Proton products have always been snake oil. I think people *want* to believe they’re the good guys, for lack of easy alternatives.

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      • GinaG Gina

        Well, this is unfortunate.

        "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

        #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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        Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

        Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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        @Gina disappointing, but not entirely unexpected

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        • GinaG Gina

          Well, this is unfortunate.

          "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

          #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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          Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

          Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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          @Gina from 1 cloud trap (Google) to another cloud trap (Proton). ☺️

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          • J JakeKb

            @Gina Irrelevant question, but is there an actual private video-call platform and if yes which is it?

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            @JakeKb @Gina signal

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            • GinaG Gina

              Well, this is unfortunate.

              "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

              #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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              Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

              Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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              @Gina I can't believe in 2026 people still trust Proton, can't people realize by now it is really a bad idea to put your trust in a centralized provider?

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              • CassandrichD Cassandrich

                @imacrea @Gina Did you seriously just snitch-tag? 🙄

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                @dalias coming soon (AGAIN!!):

                ProtonMail official announcement: due to lack of resources we will be discontinuing our account here (not because you all are too woke and expose bad publicity about us) so please follow us on X and Reddit from now on to keep up to date, ok??? and remember: we really care about your privacy!

                @imacrea @Gina

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                • ArcaneChatA ArcaneChat

                  @dalias coming soon (AGAIN!!):

                  ProtonMail official announcement: due to lack of resources we will be discontinuing our account here (not because you all are too woke and expose bad publicity about us) so please follow us on X and Reddit from now on to keep up to date, ok??? and remember: we really care about your privacy!

                  @imacrea @Gina

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                  @arcanechat @imacrea @Gina Sadly the fedi has no shortage of people who keep stanning for discredited "private email" and "private messenger" scammers. 😫

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                  • ArcaneChatA ArcaneChat

                    @Gina I can't believe in 2026 people still trust Proton, can't people realize by now it is really a bad idea to put your trust in a centralized provider?

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                    @arcanechat @Gina I still don't know what the realistic alternative is for electronic communications. it sucks... but without worldwide regulations, it's just always going to find ways to suck for people outside the inner circle of beneficiaries

                    and I very much want to pay a company that can avoid that, but... they are competing with companies with near monopolies, so how _can_ they compete? (and even the regulations would have to be like, morally guided and principled, but they wouldn't be...)

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                    • caitpC caitp

                      @arcanechat @Gina I still don't know what the realistic alternative is for electronic communications. it sucks... but without worldwide regulations, it's just always going to find ways to suck for people outside the inner circle of beneficiaries

                      and I very much want to pay a company that can avoid that, but... they are competing with companies with near monopolies, so how _can_ they compete? (and even the regulations would have to be like, morally guided and principled, but they wouldn't be...)

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                      @caitp to be honest, I don't think there is a solution for streaming of video to huge groups of people (ex. twitch-like)

                      but if it is just a meeting with a few people maybe some p2p calls like using webrtc could work, it would be all end-to-end encrypted and without needing to trust any company and also near zero server costs for them

                      @Gina

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                      • RegendansR Regendans

                        @JakeKb @Gina If you have 75 or less video call attendees then Signal can be your E2EE video-call choice.

                        Just a moment...

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                        @regendans @JakeKb @Gina
                        Signal works for those who have a cell phone only I believe.

                        I use @hostpoint and KMeet from Infomaniak for individual video calls (ex. My Mom).

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                        • GinaG Gina

                          Well, this is unfortunate.

                          "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

                          #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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                          Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

                          Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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                          @Gina
                          No bueno.
                          This stinks.

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                          • J JakeKb

                            @Gina Irrelevant question, but is there an actual private video-call platform and if yes which is it?

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                            @JakeKb @Gina we use BigBlueButton. It sometimes glitches, but usually it works fine

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                            • GinaG Gina

                              Well, this is unfortunate.

                              "Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the [US] government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy."

                              #proton #protonmail #digitalsovereigty #opensource

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                              Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was

                              Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy.

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                              @Gina is this blog format some sort of template? or ai slop? i feel like i've seen the same UI before, paired with incredibly slop writing a few times before. It *feels* like an llm wrote this

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                              • Dan 🌻D Dan 🌻

                                @Gina is this blog format some sort of template? or ai slop? i feel like i've seen the same UI before, paired with incredibly slop writing a few times before. It *feels* like an llm wrote this

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                                @danvolchek no idea.

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                                • N __Miguel_

                                  @Gina Ever since their CEO's position a few years ago it has been clear Proton is not really aligned with consumers' interests.
                                  I'm glad things like these are coming to the light.

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                                  __Miguel_ Yes, their CEO’s behaviour has been a significant red flag, and I think we’re going to continue finding out that they’ve been lying for years as they’ve moved to comply in advance on this wave of anti-privacy bills being tossed around the world.

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